Discussion in 'Washington Capitals' started by Ovechkins Wodka, Mar 30, 2021.
We all panic without Panik!
Sheary out, Panik in!
Our goalie development over the last ten-15 years has been second to none. The grass isn’t always greener. I could easily see ten years down the road that Sammy is the much better goalie. Your making sweeping arguments based off 40 minutes of play.
Our goalies are system goalies at this point. Which is fine. They will get to stealing some games at some point.
And frankly, I am fine getting humbled a little bit. Let them get a little angry and uncomfortable. Healthy.
Here you go
prior to tonight in his last 11 starts Vanecek is 8-2-1 2.08 .923. I am not sure what more you want.
I'd like if you use the correct numbers, what the heck is .023?
Disappointing result. Oh, well.
Get after the Isles and knock them down a peg.
we're the rangers' bitch, just win the next one
Some of the sloppiest play at the blueline in years.
Any post game on Oshie?
Or, you know, maybe our players could help out a little by not passing the puck to the opposition repeatedly, or by not getting pinned down in the defensive zone for 3-4 minutes at a time?
Our team sucks against the Rangers. End of story. And we shouldn't have to rely on our goaltenders to solve that problem.
Tex might have been looking at Carter Hart's save percentage by mistake
That's it. At the end of they day I don't care if we beat the Rangers. I want the Cup. We're not playing for participation. Just win the damned Cup.
Dont want to bother reading back after this game, im just going to assume we lost because ’goalies, and that we are pretty much doomed and done for the season.
Shesterkin saved the game in the first half of the game. Rags seem to have our number and hopefully we dont meet them in playoffs. Gotta start winning third rounds at some point, but its been odd sequence aswell. Why we allow so many breakouts, odd man rushes and even breakaways in thirds is weird. Cant blame Vanecek for this game at all. Its not a system goalie thing to not save Panarins breakaway. Its not a system goalie thing to save that Kakko tap in. Its the system thats failing our goalies, not the goalie failing system.
Most people aren't thinking about it, but don't forget about Lundqvist! He's gonna be ready to come back sooner than ppl think. BMac is just being coy when he said that Lundqvist coming back is most likely not gonna happen, but don't fully rule it out. For salary cap reasons they can't bring him back till the regular season ends. Moving out Panik allows salary cap room options, such as some center depth, a vet goalie or to allow Lundqvist to rejoin the roster.
More like Elmer's Glue and not Super Glue!
Uh why should goalies be exempt from stopping breakaways?! It's part of their job. VV was exposed on the 2 breakaway goals almost the same exact way(only difference was Chytil's goal was on his forehand and Panarin's was on his backhand). He was also backed in a bit on Fox's backhand goal. It easy to forget how confident and assertive VV was in the 2-1 win against the Rangers. VV was not the same goalie in this game. Shesterkin is 3-0 against us as he has consistently played well against the Caps. Caps are 2-1 against the combo of Kinkaid/Gorgiev.
Your listed stats on VV are misleading. In his last 6 starts he's given up goals of 4, 3, 4, 4 revolved around the 0, 1 games he had. He's still 4-2 in those games because the offense bailed him out.
5-2L @rangers 4 ga
4-3W vs Devils 3 ga
2-1W vs Rangers 1 ga
6-0W @Sabres 0 ga
5-4OTW vs Devils 4 ga
5-1L @Bruins 4 ga
No. Breakaway is never goalies goal. Well, uh, unless something like goalie mishandles the puck and passes it directly to breakaway against. But apart of that kind of sequence, breakaway goal is 100% because of either defensive system breakdown, or defensive invidual mistake. You write like you would be ok to let opponent tear on a breakaways just because goalies should take those more than not.
You swap a goalie for that Panarins breakaway, take anyone in the world, you think theres much of a difference? Maybe for one time (the difference between hot goalie on the flow), you save or you dont, but 100/100 it doesnt matter if its Shesterkin or Vanecek taking that breakaway.
If Vanecek makes another move than what he did this time, you think Panarin still makes the same decision? Thats an absolute superstar going there. All those guys are high skilled and they can expose you in multiple ways. They can make a goalie look like a fool, like Kucherov did for Holtby, not one but two times.
edit. the standard on goalies in hfboards is just absolutely ridiculous. Its not just our fanbase. You can go to Rangers board and propably find someone nagging about how Shesterkin did ok, apart from those 2 weak goals at the start and how they will never make it to playoffs if their goalie cant find a way to be better for full 60 minutes. If its not a shutout, someone will always find a way why the goalie sucked. Then compare these goalies to 90s, 2000s, even to 2010s. Man they are so good and composed and positionally strong. Its really rare to see an actual weak goal nowadays. Standard for weak goals are now 160mph crossbar rattling slapshots from circle because there was no traffic in front. Or a freaking breakaway.
Saw the poll on twitter the other day like "Which goalie would you build your team around?" with options as followed: Blackwood, Demko, Shestyorkin, Sorokin. Shesty was like 3rd in votes. People really don't know yet who Igor is but they will soon.
They were desperate for a goalie since the start of the season. Both guys are soft as butter. One game they dialed in, the other one the team saves their asses with huge offensive output. Like the game before this last one where Samsonov almost took them to OT after having a 4-1 lead in the third.
I wouldn’t be surprised if GMBM gets a goalie, but I’d be surprised if he finds one who can steal more games than VV, or certainly win more than VV has.
Look at some of the ‘top’ goaltenders around the league:
Demko had a really rough start to the year, without a viable backup behind him.
Lehner (who bumped around for a few years) roughly mirrored IS - bad first few games then out injured, and the guy who at one point wasn’t expected to be on the team went on a run in his place. That guy, Fleury, has a reputation for being inconsistent under pressure.
Grubauer has shaken off two seasons plagued by injury, has only 13 playoff wins under his belt (on 22 GS), and Colorado haven’t had a viable healthy backup all season.
Vasilevsky plays almost every game because, again, the team’s NHL-calibre backup is sub-.900. One injury to Vasi or Grubi and their respective teams won’t go far in the playoffs. There’s also a real risk they could be burnt out by the time the playoffs come about, given how often they’re both playing.
And then think about the guys who were expected to be great this season, if not elite:
Carter Hart - Phillied.
[NHL All-Star] Tristan Jarry - awful first part of the season
[2019 Cup-winner] Jordan Binnington - .903 SV%, team night not make the playoffs
[Prize UFA goaltender] Jacob Markstrom - .902 SV%, team likely to miss playoffs
[‘Elite’ goaltender on a bad team] John Gibson - .897 SV%
And a number of playoff-bound teams, like Florida and Toronto, still have inconsistent tending or goalie controversies on their hands. Within our division, I don’t see Boston or the Pens having better goaltending than us currently, and at least some of NYI’s goaltending success stems from the Trotz-coached defense.
Among goaltenders who’ve played in at least 20 games league-wide, VV is 10th in SV% and joint-6th in wins. So my question is: who do you trade for that’s realistically available and likely to win us more games, and perform at the near-elite level of the Vasilevsky and Hellebuycks to mask the team’s wider defensive inconsistencies? Is either the oft-injured Raanta or Kuemper likely to do that? Would the upgrade be worth the 1st or 2nd rounder it would cost (given we’re not the only team with goaltending doubts)? Rienne looks done, Dubnyk is sub-.900, we won’t have a quality NHL part to spare for one of Carolina’s three goaltenders... I don’t see where the meaningful upgrade is coming from.
I don’t think either IS or VV are, today, elite goaltenders. But they’re both good, NHL goaltenders, and few teams in the league have better than that. In fact, those with elite goaltenders (Tampa, Colorado) currently have dire backups. And one more wrinkle - I don’t see them waiving or trading VV, so if you do bring in a rental goaltender you’re sending IS down to Hershey or he’s getting no game action on the taxi squad. For a guy who played so little in the last 12 months, and is supposedly our future in net, I think it’s fair to ask whether that’s in his, or the team’s, long term interests from a development standpoint. The only positive is I don’t see IS getting much of a raise when his contract gets extended this off-season.
I think it would be complete waste of assets and cap space to acquire another goalie.
Both our guys have done fine, both should be rewarded with the trust, and both can steal a game when getting on. There is no goalie avaivable in the market that i would feel more comfortable starting an playoff game tomorrow than either of our guys.
Bernier as the best option? Really? He is going to be the guy that saves that Panarin breakaway today?
Only thing worse than the turnovers last night are the hot takes in this thread.
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