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By naturalstatrick Jensen xGA on penalty kill was 19-20 37.26 and 20-21 22.18. xGAR/60 was -4.72 and 1.45. I might be reading this wrong but im looking different graphs than you. You are the ’guy’ with advanced stats, so i do think you have the right ones.

So you take a 5 game sample over 56 games sample, and four game sample over 70 game sample as when it comes to overperforming the team stats.

Habs on various meters was not too good the past regular seasons. It only takes as much statistics as points total to see that.

I think lot of these stats are more result of team system, profitable/negative usage and just being at the right spot to succeed or not to. More than as an absolute indicator of players capabilities, theres just too much variables. They are better used as an tool to work out how to make your system work even better. It might be you can find a guy who does better within our system than Chara on a single diagram or maybe few, but it might have its net negative effect on another diagram too. Thats why we still have actual coaches doing the decisions, instead of AI robots, we are far from figuring this out quite yet.

Not sure where you're getting the Natural Stat Trick data. As far as I'm aware they do not have a GAR or xGAR model. For the expected goals stats here is where I am getting the season-data for Jensen and Chara at 4v5:

2019-20: Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

2020-21: Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

You're right there are tons of contextual factors to consider when evaluating individuals using statistics, but I'd rather have a discussion about those contextual factors and how they might impact the numbers rather than just dismissing the numbers as useless if everyone isn't in agreement about a particular player/team/idea. I think it's also important to realize that coaches are not infallible and that we can't just rely on their decisions to always be the best ones. IMO there were plenty of mistakes that Peter Laviolette made this season and especially postseason despite him being pretty well regarded as a coach.
 

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I’ll bite….summary short list of those mistakes? I assume they’ll include opinions like not playing Kuzy, Jensen, TVR enough….Carlson too much…
 

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Sure they can. They could also up Orlov's PK minutes to help fill the void.

I don’t know about that. We need a cheap veteran LD that can play 2nd or 3rd pair. Can’t have 2 rookies in those spots. Orlov will be taxed and if he gets injured for any period of time we miss the playoffs IMO

too much to put on 2 promising but young players
 

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Not sure where you're getting the Natural Stat Trick data. As far as I'm aware they do not have a GAR or xGAR model. For the expected goals stats here is where I am getting the season-data for Jensen and Chara at 4v5:

2019-20: Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

2020-21: Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

You're right there are tons of contextual factors to consider when evaluating individuals using statistics, but I'd rather have a discussion about those contextual factors and how they might impact the numbers rather than just dismissing the numbers as useless if everyone isn't in agreement about a particular player/team/idea. I think it's also important to realize that coaches are not infallible and that we can't just rely on their decisions to always be the best ones. IMO there were plenty of mistakes that Peter Laviolette made this season and especially postseason despite him being pretty well regarded as a coach.

Hey, im not dismissing the stats once and for all, in fact im trying to have a conversation on that ”contextual factors” such as team system, profitable usage and going beyond the data in other ways.

If i were to use advanced stats, i would first look the average on individual and team, separate x amount of games that were clearly under and over the average and look closer on those stats, with tape, to see if i can find a reason why that happened. What were the contextual factors there, or were there any.

For example, One thing we have no clue about behind the stats, if the players are asked to play the puck certain ways or if they just dont fit the team system on their style of play. Some guy is told to play the safe pass, and the other guy to get creative or skate it up. With the help of advanced stats-tool kit there can be ways to identify and point the problem, if used correctly. it maybe can be coachable or removable problem, or it might just be a system error or a non-fit situation that needs to be fixed.

The way advanced stats are commonly used in the boards though is ”hey this guy is bad, look at xGA/60”. For me it doesnt work that way.

I agree Laviolette made _some_ mistakes, but im not sure at all that playing Chara was one of them. Maybe forcing Schultz over TvR in playoffs. Other minor stuff. Coaches are not perfect and they make mistakes (even all mighty Trotz made mistakes during the cup run), but advanced stats are not the perfect answer either. Mistakes, and especially over coming them is part of the equation. Its a billion dollar business and its like some people think that they dont have all this data at their use, or that they just stubbornly choose to ignore it for some reason. Or could it be that the professionals in the game (both data and human handlers) see something behind the data.
 
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I don’t know about that. We need a cheap veteran LD that can play 2nd or 3rd pair. Can’t have 2 rookies in those spots. Orlov will be taxed and if he gets injured for any period of time we miss the playoffs IMO

too much to put on 2 promising but young players

I don't think adding a veteran LD changes our odds of reaching the playoffs or dealing with injury successfully, and certainly not the quality of LD left on the market (including Chara). I'd rather roll the dice with an "unknown" rookie than take on a known pylon. Worst case scenario they can address the 3LD spot via trade at the deadline, doubly so if they have LTIR cap space to work with.

Orlov already has a relatively light special teams load. With the current roster and Schultz in the line-up, he's not on either PP unit, and only PP2 with Schultz scratched. He can definitely handle a bigger PK load. He's been a 23-24 minute player for the Capitals in the playoffs, and was a regular PKer (1:31/night) for the Caps during their 2018 Cup run. Considering his total ice time was down under 20 min/night in the regular season last year, he can certainly add some more minutes on the PK without wearing down.
 
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I’ll bite….summary short list of those mistakes? I assume they’ll include opinions like not playing Kuzy, Jensen, TVR enough….Carlson too much…

I think the biggest mistake was the acquisition and subsequent overplaying of Justin Schultz. Laviolette's fingerprints are all over the signing of Schultz and not only did his acquisition remove any sort of real roster flexibility during the season due to his $4 million cap hit, but his subsequent trusting of Schultz led to disastrous results down the stretch of the regular season and into the postseason. I don't think I need to recap my feelings about the Dillon-Schultz pairing when compared to the Dillon-TVR pairing, for instance.

And the postseason was even more perplexing. Justin Schultz, despite his struggles down the stretch and despite his injuries, received the second most ES time on the team behind only Dmitry Orlov. For a player who, according to most major metrics is a replacement level player, it really is baffling to see him play so much. It'd be one thing if Nick Jensen showed that he couldn't handle the Bruins or had struggles of his own, but this was decidedly not the case. Jensen should have played more. Probably Chara too, seeing as Dillon also seemed to struggle.

Given Laviolette's apparently marriage to Schultz, I don't really blame him for playing Carlson as much as he did. The mistake wasn't so much with Carlson's ice time, it was with Schultz's and Jensen's IMO. Though if TVR were in the lineup, I'd probably want to see Carlson's SH time eliminated.

Overall strategy-wise I didn't mind a lot of what he did throughout the season, but it seemed like once again the Capitals were outcoached in the postseason. I think injuries were a large part of why the margin was so lopsided, but I also don't think Laviolette did everything he could have done to make the series competitive. For a team struggling to create offensive chances it was curious to see Daniel Sprong play so little despite the team generating the most chances with him on the ice out of all of the forwards in the postseason, especially when one game it was for Daniel Carr.
 

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I don’t know about that. We need a cheap veteran LD that can play 2nd or 3rd pair. Can’t have 2 rookies in those spots. Orlov will be taxed and if he gets injured for any period of time we miss the playoffs IMO

too much to put on 2 promising but young players
I think TVR plays both sides. We have a glut of RD, so I expect someone to slot over.

Plus we have Kempny to figure out. He’s LD as well.

Kempny - Carlson??
Orlov - Jensen
Fever - Schultz
TVR

I think more happens. As TVR should be top 6 IMO
 

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I don’t know about that. We need a cheap veteran LD that can play 2nd or 3rd pair. Can’t have 2 rookies in those spots. Orlov will be taxed and if he gets injured for any period of time we miss the playoffs IMO

too much to put on 2 promising but young players
This is what's left out there:
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This is what's left out there:
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Erik GudbransonD29UFANSHTBD---
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Thomas HickeyD32UFANYITBD---
Stephen JohnsD29UFADALTBD---
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Sami VatanenD30UFADALTBD---
Carl GunnarssonD34UFASTLTBD---
Michael StoneD31UFACGYTBD---
Braydon CoburnD36UFANYITBD---
Connor CarrickD27UFANJDTBD---
Jack JohnsonD34UFANYRTBD---
Christian DjoosD27UFADETTBD---
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Derrick PouliotD27UFAPHITBD---
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Why is Chara w BOS? Now you’ve thrown this entire list into uproar.

Suspect
Suspect
Suspect!
 

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One thing that hasn't really been discussed in the possibility of TvR playing on the left side. If one of the rookies struggles and/or the coaches are married to Schultz playing, they could shift one of the RD over to play their off-side. Carolina had a similar problem in 2018-19, with 4 RD (Hamilton, Faulk, Pesce, and TvR), and TvR ended up spending some time on the left side on pairings with Pesce and Hamilton over the course of the season (albeit he settled into a De Haan-TvR pairing for the second half of the season). He also had a short stretch with Brent Seabrook in Chicago back in 2016-17.
 

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I don’t know about that. We need a cheap veteran LD that can play 2nd or 3rd pair. Can’t have 2 rookies in those spots. Orlov will be taxed and if he gets injured for any period of time we miss the playoffs IMO

too much to put on 2 promising but young players

Hmm...I think I said almost all of this. I agree
 
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I think TVR plays both sides. We have a glut of RD, so I expect someone to slot over.

Plus we have Kempny to figure out. He’s LD as well.

Kempny - Carlson??
Orlov - Jensen
Fever - Schultz
TVR

I think more happens. As TVR should be top 6 IMO

More happens. Kempny out. Jensen or Schultz out. Chara or someone of his skill set in and TvR as the 6. The 7 being Alexeyev in Hershey and close for a call up if someone gets a boo boo.

Orlov Carlson
X Jensen/Schultz
Fehervary TvR
 
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One thing that hasn't really been discussed in the possibility of TvR playing on the left side. If one of the rookies struggles and/or the coaches are married to Schultz playing, they could shift one of the RD over to play their off-side. Carolina had a similar problem in 2018-19, with 4 RD (Hamilton, Faulk, Pesce, and TvR), and TvR ended up spending some time on the left side on pairings with Pesce and Hamilton over the course of the season (albeit he settled into a De Haan-TvR pairing for the second half of the season). He also had a short stretch with Brent Seabrook in Chicago back in 2016-17.
Yes it has, clown. You just have half the board on ignore, so you won’t see it. Another example of restating what some of us have already said.

#yourenotthesmartestguyintheroom
 

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More happens. Kempny out. Jensen or Schultz out. Chara or someone of his skill set in and TvR as the 6. The 7 being Alexeyev in Hershey and close for a call up if someone gets a boo boo.

Orlov Carlson
X Jensen/Schultz
Fehervary TvR
Agreed in that’s it’s not over yet. Something else needs to happen. Especially of Kempny is LTIR.
 

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Jensen averaged very close last two seasons (2,39min vs 2,66min) on SHTOI average, this season his numbers got better pretty much in every category. The player is still the same, so what changed comparing to last season? - A lot. How does the correlation, relationship or whatever analytical diagram, take that into account? Is it just that solid PKer Jensen suddenly became elite PKer? Might be, but its alteast a suspectively speculative thing to say.

Nick Jensen played a lot with Chara. Dont you think that has nothing to do with it? Can we just conclude that Jensen has the same advy stats he has now if he played more with Dillon, or better actually since he is playing with so much better PK-specialist?

Im not trying to fully disclose that advy stats, just saying in many cases its making it look worse (or better) than it actually is. The same applies for the whole Caps in fact. People like to trash our team with different advy stats, and keep ignoring that we constantly over perform on those. Or that Habs team that had lots of terrible advanced stats figures throughout couple last years, just went unexpectly completely out of their way and beat Toronto, Vegas and Jets on their way to SC finals.

As for the correlation, do you think that if we reduce Charas SHTOI, his GA/60 is still over 7? And if we increase Dillon, his GA/60 is still 3,51? All that relationship shows me is that Dillons advy stat numbers are very good and yet again comparing Chara to him is unfair as he played remarkably less SHTOI and different kind of minutes (and role too) aswell. But atleast those two guys play for the same system and on the left side so theres a little less variables than comparing to a guy who plays RD or for Buffalo.

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I appreciate a good and healthy advy stats discussion and the effort you guys put into it, but Id hope that we dont make heavy conclusions (like, Chara sucks) on the diagrams and declare them as truth. I mean, if your opinion is that Chara sucks and you use advanced stats to showcase your point, thats all fine to me and I get it. Its just that I disagree, I liked Chara and -stats aside- I think he did pretty well for his role and expectations, and had a very positive impact for our team as a whole. I will miss him. Especially since we lost Dillon too.

Jensen's been an elite PKer his whole career going back to his time on the Wings, so yeah I can pretty confidently say Chara wasn't some catalyst for him suddenly becoming elite.

As to the rest of your post, what is your definition of an advanced stat? I didn't use any "expected" stats or possession stats in my post, just GA/60. No diagrams involved. It's actual results divided by ice time, about as simple as it gets. And my conclusion that Chara sucks comes from watching him slow down and become a pylon late in the season and into the playoffs, the stats just confirm what I was seeing.
 
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More happens. Kempny out. Jensen or Schultz out. Chara or someone of his skill set in and TvR as the 6. The 7 being Alexeyev in Hershey and close for a call up if someone gets a boo boo.

Orlov Carlson
X Jensen/Schultz
Fehervary TvR

Agreed in that’s it’s not over yet. Something else needs to happen. Especially of Kempny is LTIR.

Honest question, who do you guys see filling that X? The full list of remaining UFA defensemen's been posted, but I can save you some time by narrowing it down. Here's the UFA LHD who played A) 20 or more games last season, B) more than 14 minutes a night, and C) more than a minute a night on the PK: Zdeno Chara, Ben Hutton, and Jordie Benn. Chara's been discussed plenty already, Hutton and Benn were both 6th defensemen on last place teams who got traded to contenders at the deadline and ended up primarily on nacho duty. Hutton could only get a PTO with Anaheim last offseason, so his time in the NHL's probably nearing an end, and I think Benn primarily plays his off side too. Do you see any of those three as the answer, or do you think MacLellan's gonna make a trade?
 
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Honest question, who do you guys see filling that X? The full list of remaining UFA defensemen's been posted, but I can save you some time by narrowing it down. Here's the UFA LHD who played A) 20 or more games last season, B) more than 14 minutes a night, and C) more than a minute a night on the PK: Zdeno Chara, Ben Hutton, and Jordie Benn. Chara's been discussed plenty already, Hutton and Benn were both 6th defensemen on last place teams who got traded to contenders at the deadline and ended up primarily on nacho duty. Hutton could only get a PTO with Anaheim last offseason, so his time in the NHL's probably nearing an end, and I think Benn primarily plays his off side too. Do you see any of those three as the answer, or do you think MacLellan's gonna make a trade?

I think that Chara is probably the choice that makes the most sense. I think Kempny needs to be resolved first.
 

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Jensen's been an elite PKer his whole career going back to his time on the Wings, so yeah I can pretty confidently say Chara wasn't some catalyst for him suddenly becoming elite.

As to the rest of your post, what is your definition of an advanced stat? I didn't use any "expected" stats or possession stats in my post, just GA/60. No diagrams involved. It's actual results divided by ice time, about as simple as it gets. And my conclusion that Chara sucks comes from watching him slow down and become a pylon late in the season and into the playoffs, the stats just confirm what I was seeing.

I am confident that Chara's influence on Jensen was in the even strenth play. Jensen was good on the pk when he was struggling with everything else.
 

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Why do people think Lavi loves Irwin so much? He’s never really been more than a 6/7 for Lavi elsewhere, and certainly wasn’t taking ice time away from meaningful D competition. In fact, he tended to play fewer games than the last for each year he was under Lavi in NSH. He only played 27 games in his last year under Lavi, before being traded to Anaheim.
 

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Jensen's been an elite PKer his whole career going back to his time on the Wings, so yeah I can pretty confidently say Chara wasn't some catalyst for him suddenly becoming elite.

As to the rest of your post, what is your definition of an advanced stat? I didn't use any "expected" stats or possession stats in my post, just GA/60. No diagrams involved. It's actual results divided by ice time, about as simple as it gets. And my conclusion that Chara sucks comes from watching him slow down and become a pylon late in the season and into the playoffs, the stats just confirm what I was seeing.

Im driving my Chara-train against 3 posters and not just you, and the focus has been that statistics overdrive my opinion and which therefor isnt valid. Where im trying to justify my point with saying that taking a statline like GA/60 isnt conclusive.

Like said, im fine with you thinking Chara sucks. This math lesson started with me disagreeing :)

I think Chara had great overall impact on our team and that statistics makes it look worse than it actually was. This was my first post on the subject.

We are going heavily back and forth, so ill drop it to this! Lets hope you three are right and Chara was a pylon that is easy to replace. That would be the better result for our favourite team in terms of succeeding in the near future.
 

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Why do people think Lavi loves Irwin so much? He’s never really been more than a 6/7 for Lavi elsewhere, and certainly wasn’t taking ice time away from meaningful D competition. In fact, he tended to play fewer games than the last for each year he was under Lavi in NSH. He only played 27 games in his last year under Lavi, before being traded to Anaheim.

I didn't say he was more than #6 or #7 for Lavi. But he has no place being even that #6 or #7.

You left a pretty important part out of that last season under Laviolette review though... He was a regular in the line-up basically the entire start of the season. Laviolette then got fired early in january. After that Irwin only got 5 games in the next 2 months and was traded.
 

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Honest question, who do you guys see filling that X? The full list of remaining UFA defensemen's been posted, but I can save you some time by narrowing it down. Here's the UFA LHD who played A) 20 or more games last season, B) more than 14 minutes a night, and C) more than a minute a night on the PK: Zdeno Chara, Ben Hutton, and Jordie Benn. Chara's been discussed plenty already, Hutton and Benn were both 6th defensemen on last place teams who got traded to contenders at the deadline and ended up primarily on nacho duty. Hutton could only get a PTO with Anaheim last offseason, so his time in the NHL's probably nearing an end, and I think Benn primarily plays his off side too. Do you see any of those three as the answer, or do you think MacLellan's gonna make a trade?
Sounds like Jensen should have plenty of value then!!! :P
 

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I think that Chara is probably the choice that makes the most sense. I think Kempny needs to be resolved first.

They could sign Chara right now if they wanted to. Moving Kempny first isn't a necessity to signing Chara.

Anybody can sign Chara now. Not a single team has done so.
 
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