Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2019-20 Season Pt. 1: Drop. The. Puck.

[Calicaps]

Stats don't tell the entire story. It doesn't tell what the competition was. It also doesn't tell you that the Caps have played a more defensive style when Samsonov has played. There is no doubt that the Caps are trying to shelter Samsonov by playing a tighter defensive game.Reirden pretty much confirmed that.

And yet scored 4. That's a model for success.

 

[txpd]

And yet scored 4. That's a model for success.

This might be a misread but my take is that the Caps are playing a new and aggressive skating attack game. They are still getting used to it. It has shown promise but also has pushed them to weak 3rd periods. With Samsonov playing they don't play that game. They play what they played before.

That said there were also some real changes in the defense mins for the Dallas game that I am curious about. That might have had an effect as well

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Stats don't tell the entire story. It doesn't tell what the competition was. It also doesn't tell you that the Caps have played a more defensive style when Samsonov has played. There is no doubt that the Caps are trying to shelter Samsonov by playing a tighter defensive game.Reirden pretty much confirmed that.

Untrue. HDS/60, MDS/60 and LDS/60 tells us a lot about what the competition was.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Orlov still has issues in the defensive zone. I suspect he always will. He has improved a lot over the years but I think this is his peak. I thought his ceiling was going to be higher.

As 100% NHL defensmen do. The good thing with Orlov is his value/price quality, ~ best in NHL.

 

[Silky mitts]

As 100% NHL defensmen do. The good thing with Orlov is his value/price quality, ~ best in NHL.

Seth Jones and Rasmus Dahlin are the best deals

 

[txpd]

As 100% NHL defensmen do. The good thing with Orlov is his value/price quality, ~ best in NHL.

Just so I understand what you are saying. Orlov is playing well?

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Just so I understand what you are saying. Orlov is playing well?

Right now, at this moment, this year or in general?

 

[maacoshark]

And yet scored 4. That's a model for success.

You count an empty net goal as offense. If you watched all 6 games you would clearly see that the Caps played a different style with Samsonov in net.

 

[maacoshark]

Untrue. HDS/60, MDS/60 and LDS/60 tells us a lot about what the competition was.

No it doesn't.

 

[maacoshark]

As 100% NHL defensmen do. The good thing with Orlov is his value/price quality, ~ best in NHL.

Not sure where you are going with this. Sure all defence men have issues in the defensive zone. Orlov has more issues than most NHL defenceman. I'm not sure if I'd say he is a bargain.

 

[maacoshark]

Right now, at this moment, this year or in general?

Since you are another one of those stats guys maybe you could throw up some fancy stats to show his value. I know he has been on the ice for a lot of goals against.

 

[HTFN]

Since you are another one of those stats guys maybe you could throw up some fancy stats to show his value. I know he has been on the ice for a lot of goals against.

Hey, good idea. Then you can just say "no" again, and we'll be right back at square one. Again.

Orlov does not have more issues than "most NHL defenseman" in his end. He routinely impresses fans of other teams in all zones, and his gaffes stand out to us because when we see it all working it seems simple for him.

 

[SpinningEdge]

Panik over last 3 seasons (229 games) has 121 points. Pace of 43 points/season.

I’m waiting/hoping we start seeing some offense from him.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

No it doesn't.

How so?

 

[txpd]

Hey, good idea. Then you can just say "no" again, and we'll be right back at square one. Again.

Orlov does not have more issues than "most NHL defenseman" in his end. He routinely impresses fans of other teams in all zones, and his gaffes stand out to us because when we see it all working it seems simple for him.

I am pretty slow on the analytics. I have missed a couple games. I can see from his stat line that he leads the team in EV/TOI game and is 5th or 6th on the team in total special teams TOI. I see he is at the bottom of goal diff with -5 in 6 games. That doesn't really look good but plus minus is flawed as we know. Its been my view since the start that Orlov and Jensen both were going to have to grow as players for that pair to be successful. I would expect growing pains. Is that what we are seeing or do the fancy stats say he is playing well?

 

[maacoshark]

How so?

You explain how it does. You are the stats guy.

 

[maacoshark]

Hey, good idea. Then you can just say "no" again, and we'll be right back at square one. Again.

Orlov does not have more issues than "most NHL defenseman" in his end. He routinely impresses fans of other teams in all zones, and his gaffes stand out to us because when we see it all working it seems simple for him.

I guess you have been watching different games than I have. He has made some good plays, he has made some bad plays. I would say the bad out weighs the good. Like I said he has been on the ice for a lot of goals against. Doesn't help being paired with Jensen. Sorry but he just isn't a great defensive defenceman.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

To me, Orlov has stepped up in Niskanen’s absence and seems like he’s taken over as the second leader on D. Happy for him.

 

[txpd]

To me, Orlov has stepped up in Niskanen’s absence and seems like he’s taken over as the second leader on D. Happy for him.

Can you put some meat on those bones? What evidence other than the eye test do you have to back that up?

Niskanen lead the Caps the team in shorthanded toi last season while scoring 6 more goals with only 4 fewer points than Orlov. At present Orlov is 5th on the defense in sh/toi per game. I don't see how you can watch the games and see how he is used as say that he's stepped up to Niskanen's level unless you mean that only at even strength.

 

[Raikkonen]

Can you put some meat on those bones? What evidence other than the eye test do you have to back that up?

Orlov looks like solid def while keeping his offensive capabilities (at least to my eye).

Not many redundant movements, confident and effective in most cases. Thats what Ive seen so far

 

[txpd]

Orlov looks like solid def while keeping his offensive capabilities (at least to my eye).

Not many redundant movements, confident and effective in most cases. Thats what Ive seen so far

What offense are you talking about?

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

What offense are you talking about?

So, what I’ve noticed at even strength is that Dima has been a consistent possession player and has really driven play out of our zone effectively, whether with his hands and skating ability or pinpoint breakout passes.

I like stability in defenders and I’ve kind of seen more of that from Orlov on his own, whereas years past he would need Niskanen to make him more stable. I’m perfectly comfortable with him carrying a pairing for us and I think he has shown a lot more confidence in not only his defensive zone play, but, also in his offensive game. He has a lot of skill and I think that this year he has realized that he’s good enough to be a solid defender, while also being a game changer in the offensive zone. Defenders develop differently and I’m glad he’s found the right combination of defense and offense, rather than years past when it has been one or the other. If that makes sense, I hope it helped.

 

[txpd]

So, what I’ve noticed at even strength is that Dima has been a consistent possession player and has really driven play out of our zone effectively, whether with his hands and skating ability or pinpoint breakout passes.

I like stability in defenders and I’ve kind of seen more of that from Orlov on his own, whereas years past he would need Niskanen to make him more stable. I’m perfectly comfortable with him carrying a pairing for us and I think he has shown a lot more confidence in not only his defensive zone play, but, also in his offensive game. He has a lot of skill and I think that this year he has realized that he’s good enough to be a solid defender, while also being a game changer in the offensive zone. Defenders develop differently and I’m glad he’s found the right combination of defense and offense, rather than years past when it has been one or the other. If that makes sense, I hope it helped.

That reads like its coming from a fan. I will quit. I was looking for something more than the eye test. Some analytics. What I see is a team giving up a lot of goals. A lot of goals with Orlov on the ice. Some of those goals belong to Jensen but not all of them. I see 1 even strength assist. I was looking for some stats that would show that his play has been better than whats visable on the surface.

 

[twabby]

That reads like its coming from a fan. I will quit. I was looking for something more than the eye test. Some analytics. What I see is a team giving up a lot of goals. A lot of goals with Orlov on the ice. Some of those goals belong to Jensen but not all of them. I see 1 even strength assist. I was looking for some stats that would show that his play has been better than whats visable on the surface.

 

[Silky mitts]

That reads like its coming from a fan. I will quit. I was looking for something more than the eye test. Some analytics. What I see is a team giving up a lot of goals. A lot of goals with Orlov on the ice. Some of those goals belong to Jensen but not all of them. I see 1 even strength assist. I was looking for some stats that would show that his play has been better than whats visable on the surface.

Orlov is basically the same good player every year and his numbers aren’t out of whack, through 6 games last year same deal, -5 and 1 point, last year he propped up a number 4, right now he’s propping up a 5 or 6.