Player Discussion Caps D over 6 last seasons

[francaisvolantsparis]

If you like Caps and stats, this is for you! Enjoy.

2013/2014 regular season:

Player	GP	TOI/GP 5v5	Takeaways/60 5v5	Points/60 5v5	Hits/60 5v5	Awesomeness
Dmitry Orlov	54	17.77	1.38	0.63	4.38	7.4
Mike Green	70	18.20	1.13	0.99	2.64	7.3
Steve Oleksy	33	13.13	1.11	1.38	6.23	7.0
John Carlson	82	16.10	1.59	0.45	2.32	6.2
Karl Alzner	82	15.73	1.12	0.65	2.98	5.5
Nate Schmidt	29	16.83	0.86	0.61	2.21	4.8
John Erskine	37	13.28	0.49	0.49	7.57	4.0
Connor Carrick	34	14.03	0.63	0.75	3.01	4.0

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MVP (best overall): Dmitry Orlov
Best shoutdown D (most takeaways): John Carlson
Best offensive D (most points): Mike Green
Best 'Orpik' (most hits): -
Caps D rating (Top6 D awesomeness averege): 6.4

2014/2015 regular season:

Player	GP	TOI/GP 5v5	Takeaways/60 5v5	Points/60 5v5	Hits/60 5v5	Awesomeness
John Carlson	82	16.82	1.35	1.44	2.83	8.7
Mike Green	72	14.68	1.08	1.36	4.31	7.1
Brooks Orpik	78	17.70	0.35	0.7	11.73	6.9
Matt Niskanen	82	17.68	1.08	0.66	5.3	6.9
Karl Alzner	82	16.43	0.62	0.8	4.81	5.4
Nate Schmidt	39	13.30	1.27	0.46	3.7	4.7
Jack Hillen	35	12.10	0.57	0.71	4.67	3.6

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MVP: John Carlson
Best shoutdown D: John Carlson
Best offensive D: John Carlson
Best 'Orpik': Brooks Orpik
Caps D rating: 6.6

2015/2016 regular season:

Player	GP	TOI/GP 5v5	Takeaways/60 5v5	Points/60 5v5	Hits/60 5v5	Awesomeness
Dmitry Orlov	82	14.83	1.63	1.23	5.67	8.6
John Carlson	56	17.05	1.19	1.32	2.64	8.0
Brooks Orpik	41	16.85	0.43	0.87	9.72	6.7
Nate Schmidt	72	16.07	1.35	0.73	3.42	6.6
Karl Alzner	82	17.58	0.92	0.67	4.24	6.0
Matt Niskanen	82	18.18	0.93	0.4	5.43	5.9
Taylor Chorney	55	11.87	0.73	0.55	4.68	3.6

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MVP: Dmitry Orlov
Best shoutdown D: Dmitry Orlov
Best offensive D: John Carlson
Best 'Orpik': Brooks Orpik
Caps D rating: 7.0

2016/2017 regular season:

Player	GP	TOI/GP 5v5	Takeaways/60 5v5	Points/60 5v5	Hits/60 5v5	Awesomeness
Kevin Shattenkirk	19	16.08	2.16	1.18	3.34	9.9
Nate Schmidt	60	14.30	2.45	0.98	3.42	9.1
Matt Niskanen	78	16.70	1.15	1.2	5.66	8.3
Dmitry Orlov	82	17.45	1.26	1.01	4.69	8.1
John Carlson	72	16.05	1.77	0.93	2.6	8.0
Brooks Orpik	79	14.97	0.25	0.66	7.86	4.4
Karl Alzner	82	15.97	0.46	0.55	3.94	3.9

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MVP: Nate Schmidt
Best shoutdown D: Nate Schmidt
Best offensive D: Matt Niskanen
Best 'Orpik': Brooks Orpik
Caps D rating: 8.0

2017/2018 regular season:

Player	GP	TOI/GP 5v5	Takeaways/60 5v5	Points/60 5v5	Hits/60 5v5	Awesomeness
Dmitry Orlov	82	19.08	1.84	0.92	4.41	10.3
John Carlson	82	17.32	1.35	1.31	1.56	8.2
Matt Niskanen	68	18.65	0.71	1.04	4.68	7.1
Brooks Orpik	81	15.72	0.61	0.42	9.14	5.4
Madison Bowey	51	13.18	0.98	0.89	4.1	5.1
Christian Djoos	63	13.28	0.86	1	1.58	4.5
Michal Kempny	22	16.02	0.68	0.51	4.43	4.5

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MVP: Dmitry Orlov
Best shoutdown D: Dmitry Orlov
Best offensive D: John Carlson
Best 'Orpik': Brooks Orpik
Caps D rating: 6.8

2018/2019 regular season:

Player	GP	TOI/GP 5v5	Takeaways/60 5v5	Points/60 5v5	Hits/60 5v5	Awesomeness
Dmitry Orlov	82	18.52	1.86	0.95	5.1	10.4
John Carlson	80	16.97	1.46	1.46	1.72	8.8
Matt Niskanen	80	17.85	1.3	0.8	6.05	8.2
Michal Kempny	71	16.92	0.95	1.1	3.54	6.9
Nick Jensen	20	15.25	1.18	0.98	3.74	6.5
Madison Bowey	33	12.92	0.7	0.84	6.33	4.8
Christian Djoos	45	13.30	0.9	1	1.8	4.7
Brooks Orpik	53	12.60	0.27	0.81	9.79	4.6
Jonas Siegenthaler	26	12.92	0.54	0.71	5	3.9

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MVP: Dmitry Orlov
Best shoutdown D: Dmitry Orlov
Best offensive D: John Carlson
Best 'Orpik': Brooks Orpik
Caps D rating: 7.6

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[PB12]

I feel like there is some serious bias in this thread. For 2017-19 the most valuable d-man is JC, aka the guy who was voted top 5 defensemen the last 2 years. Now if Orlov can step up and protect his goaltenders from allowing skaters to come in close and allowing close range shots. As well as get a body on the puck or man instead of that weak *** poke check he does.

 

[Silky mitts]

Carlson led regulars in Corsi and was 2nd in +/- to Kempny but his awesomeness lies in how the pace of the game picks up when he’s on the ice.

 

[hockeykicker]

what is awesomeness?

 

[g00n]

Niskanen and Orlov were "awesome" last year. Who knew??

 

[racingmoose]

Guess I gotta stop watching what happens on the ice to truly understand how good/bad players are and what makes a solid team.

 

[twabby]

Guess I gotta stop watching what happens on the ice to truly understand how good/bad players are and what makes a solid team.

Unironically agree.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Carlson led regulars in Corsi and was 2nd in +/- to Kempny but his awesomeness lies in how the pace of the game picks up when he’s on the ice.

Much easier to defend then the pace is slow. Remember Jeff Schultz?

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

what is awesomeness?

I will be happy to answer (the formula is very simple), but please tell me first, do I ask you (anyone) how do you dicide a player is good/bad then eyewatching his game? You see one action, you remember 10 to 12 more random?/bias(sure) plays of that player and that's all. Consider the 'awesomeness' as my (and only my) opinion on how good the player is if you dislike the statistical approach.

 

[hb12xchamps]

There’s just so many things that factor into a player than just blanket stats. Quality of competition they have to go against, zone starts, etc. are only a few of those things that I can think of right off the bat.

Plus, what formula was even used to come up with a players “Awesomeness” rating? Not trying to be an ass but I can’t figure it out based on that chart alone

 

[hockeykicker]

I will be happy to answer (the formula is very simple), but please tell me first, do I ask you (anyone) how do you dicide a player is good/bad then eyewatching his game? You see on action, you remember 10 to 12 more random?/bias(sure) plays of that player and that's all. Consider the 'awesomeness' as my (and only my) opinion on how good the player is if you dislike the statistical approach.

Not questions you or formula. I just wanted a definition.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Not questions you or formula. I just wanted a definition.

It is TOI*(Points+Takeaways/constant_1+Hits/contstant_2)/connstant_3

 

[Silky mitts]

Much easier to defend then the pace is slow. Remember Jeff Schultz?

If that’s the case and Carlson and his partner are tops in these defensive 5 on 5 stats he must wake up in the morning and piss awesome

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Fancy stats don't take in count having to cover the Mcdavids and Crosbys every night

 

[Hivemind]

Basing evaluation of a player on the hits and takeaway stats reported by the NHL.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Fancy stats don't take in count having to cover the Mcdavids and Crosbys every night

Well. Exactly what Orlov and Niskanen used to do. They covered Mcdavid and Crysby every night for Caps.

 

[txpd]

The Caps had a D top 5 in Norris voting the past 2 seasons but somehow is not the mvp. Stats have limits.

 

[txpd]

Basing evaluation of a player on the hits and takeaway stats reported by the NHL.

Am I wrong that taking possession of a dump in is a takeaway. Yes? Catching a zone clear at center is a takeaway?

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

My question now. What do you guys think? Why my 'awesomeness' stat is continius from year to year (with some trend) for the same player, but not the +/-, Corsi nor eyewatching (today Niskanen is a God tomorrow he is a cap dump)?

 

[Ridley Simon]

Basing evaluation of a player on the hits and takeaway stats reported by the NHL.

Not sure I understand this @Hivemind. I would understand the need to mock this (you always seem to need to mock people) if it was across different arenas, teams, and games — but since he is only comparing Caps players to each other (and hence the same “statistician” is being used for each individual game), then it’s merited. It’s a level playing field for the players.

I think that’s what Tex and others are saying with this.

Am I right, Tex?

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Am I wrong that taking possession of a dump in is a takeaway. Yes? Catching a zone clear at center is a takeaway?

Lets look at the best NHL Ds in takeaways/60 from the last three seasons:

Player	Takeaways/60	Player	Takeaways/60	Player	Takeaways/60
Jaccob Slavin	2.68	Seth Jones	1.75	Dustin Byfuglien	1.46
Mike Matheson	2.23	Mark Giordano	1.73	Justin Braun	1.45
Erik Karlsson	2.17	Alex Pietrangelo	1.7	Jake Gardiner	1.42
Brent Burns	2.17	Calvin de Haan	1.69	Kevin Shattenkirk	1.41
Nate Schmidt	2.16	Dmitry Orlov	1.66	Morgan Rielly	1.41
Kris Letang	1.9	Jacob Trouba	1.55	Mark Pysyk	1.41
Brett Pesce	1.89	Trevor van Riemsdyk	1.52	Colton Parayko	1.39
TJ Brodie	1.88	John Carlson	1.51	Ryan Ellis	1.36
Justin Faulk	1.85	Ryan McDonagh	1.51	Zdeno Chara	1.34
Noah Hanifin	1.78	Adam Pelech	1.48	Aaron Ekblad	1.29

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[Ridley Simon]

Lets look at the best NHL Ds in takeaways/60 from the last three seasons:

Player	Takeaways/60	Player	Takeaways/60	Player	Takeaways/60
Jaccob Slavin	2.68	Seth Jones	1.75	Dustin Byfuglien	1.46
Mike Matheson	2.23	Mark Giordano	1.73	Justin Braun	1.45
Erik Karlsson	2.17	Alex Pietrangelo	1.7	Jake Gardiner	1.42
Brent Burns	2.17	Calvin de Haan	1.69	Kevin Shattenkirk	1.41
Nate Schmidt	2.16	Dmitry Orlov	1.66	Morgan Rielly	1.41
Kris Letang	1.9	Jacob Trouba	1.55	Mark Pysyk	1.41
Brett Pesce	1.89	Trevor van Riemsdyk	1.52	Colton Parayko	1.39
TJ Brodie	1.88	John Carlson	1.51	Ryan Ellis	1.36
Justin Faulk	1.85	Ryan McDonagh	1.51	Zdeno Chara	1.34
Noah Hanifin	1.78	Adam Pelech	1.48	Aaron Ekblad	1.29

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Any questions?

Well, this points to what Hivemind was mocking you for. Takeaways, giveaways, hits etc are very subjective. Really depends on WHO is doing the tally.

As an example, this shows 5 current (or one season removed) Carolina Hurricanes in the top 14. Are we to honestly believe that the 5th best Hurricane D-man at takeaways is better at it....than the top guy is for 20 some other odd teams?

No way.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Well, this points to what Hivemind was mocking you for. Takeaways, giveaways, hits etc are very subjective. Really depends on WHO is doing the tally.

As an example, this shows 5 current (or one season removed) Carolina Hurricanes in the top 14. Are we to honestly believe that the 5th best Hurricane D-man at takeaways is better at it....than the top guy is for 20 some other odd teams?

No way.

My bad. This is a good point. Let's fire the Carolina 'statsmam' than. Anyway Carolina had very good D last year.

 

[txpd]

Not sure I understand this @Hivemind. I would understand the need to mock this (you always seem to need to mock people) if it was across different arenas, teams, and games — but since he is only comparing Caps players to each other (and hence the same “statistician” is being used for each individual game), then it’s merited. It’s a level playing field for the players.

I think that’s what Tex and others are saying with this.

Am I right, Tex?

Rids, I think the use of nhl giveaway and takeaway numbers along with 5 on 5 ice time is an I'll advised gauge of the group. Carlson's 5 on 5nice time is a direct result of the heavy load of special teams toi he carries.

I am not mocking anyone but there is no chance that Orlov was the team defense mvp. That conclusion should indicate that something is wrong with the criteria.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Rids, I think the use of nhl giveaway and takeaway numbers along with 5 on 5 ice time is an I'll advised gauge of the group. Carlson's 5 on 5nice time is a direct result of the heavy load of special teams toi he carries.

I am not mocking anyone but there is no chance that Orlov was the team defense mvp. That conclusion should indicate that something is wrong with the criteria.

You don’t mock people, that’s what @Hivemind does with his need to laugh at most anyone’s opinion that’s differs with his.

My point around these stats are they can be relevant when comparing players against teammates. That’s about it.

Does that make sense, Tex?