Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign F Petrus Palmu (2017 6th round draft pick and 2018 Liiga rookie of the year)

[VanJack]

Love the signing.....judging from those highlights the kid is small but built like a block of granite and can turn on a dime. Canucks have been drafting the likes of Mackenze Stewart and Evan Fuller so long in later rounds, it's kind of shock they actually picked a kid with skill for once. But that 2017 draft was epic for the Canucks....Pettersson, Lind, Gadjovich already signed, and DiPietro is an automatic....and could still sign Brassard who had a breakthrough year in the OHL.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

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[canuckfan75]

Well lets see what happens in the next week or so.

if they sign some free agents to entry level deals

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Maybe it's just me, but I kinda think a guy actually has to play in the NHL before he's considered a 'home run'.

Also what other late round home runs are there? Gaudette looks good ... and???

At this stage they’re homerun picks compared to other teams.

Gaudette, Palmu, Jasek, Tryamkin, Dipietro etc

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Why are we deeming him a home run already? Or is it just your prediction?

Little bit of both. He’s definitely tracking to be a homerun Pick compared to other players where he was drafted. I believe he’ll be a top 9 NHLer. Crazy skill To go along with a low Center of gravity=scary

 

[F A N]

Looking forward to seeing how he fares in the AHL. He's by no means a 1st line talent, but he seems to be a bit of a late bloomer.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Looking forward to seeing how he fares in the AHL. He's by no means a 1st line talent, but he seems to be a bit of a late bloomer.

He is a fun player to watch for sure. Perfect use of a late round pick by Benning & co.

 

[DaJackal]

At this stage they’re homerun picks compared to other teams.

Gaudette, Palmu, Jasek, Tryamkin, Dipietro etc

I wouldn't call him a homerun pick yet, but he has gotten to at least 2nd base.

That's more than some College boys can even dream of

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

So Utica looks like this so far

Motte Dahlin Lind
Gadjovich MacEwen Jasek
Carcone Laplante Palmu

Maybe Archibald & Gaunce

Juolevi Chatfield
Brisebois Sautner
McEneny

Maybe Brassard

Demko

 

[go comets]

Dahlen is a LW, but either way would be a great addition to the Comets..
Motte should return to his AHL spot in the middle.
Laplante can go to the ZOO. He is worthless.
MacMaster will step in and be a top LW. he is already under contract to Utica.
MacEwen will still be a RW.

MacMaster X Jasek.
A real good line finishing up last season when playing with Chaput.

Dahlen X MacEwen

Carcone X Palmu
These two can be swapped out on either wing.

Gadjovich X Lind

Resigning Chaput looks like a no brainer as at the moment there are 0 centers signed that will be in the AHL unless Gaudette starts there.
It would also behoove the braintrust to re-sign Boucher.
They will probably extend Cassels for at least one more season. He is nothing better than a #3 center and more like a #4.

This is nowhere near the total list of Comets up front as the fate of Chaput and Boucher is yet to be determined. They are both RFAs. Benning has to make a decision on them as neither can go anywhere until the Canucks cut them loose. They won't be on the market long if that should happen.

There are no more Comets forwards from last season that should be brought back. D'Aoust is still a possibility, but was on an AHL contract and would most likely have to receive another one. I could go either way with him. He's not a big loss if he doesn't get signed.

The Comets need 3 centers even if Chaput is re-signed and 1 has to be a #1 and the other has to be either very strong defensively or have play making skills, preferably both. This would allow for Hamilton to be let go.

Boucher, Chaput, and the #1 center would be veterans by AHL rules.
Defensively Sautner, McEneny, Brisebois, and Chatfield need to have a #1 D-man and another very solid D-man to anchor the D-core. They didn't have a true #1 last season, Holm served as the PP QB, but was not a strong #1 defender and Wiercioch was big offensively, but also wasn't a real strong defender. They need 2 guys who can do the offensive things that these 2 did, but need to be much stronger defenders. Can't count on McEneny to be one of these guys after the major knee injury that cost him most of last season. He is going to need time to just get back to where he was. Brisebois and Chatfield need to bring their games up to the next level, but #1 and #2 is out of the question at this time.

There are no more defenders coming from the Canucks past draft pools. Thus, guys are going to have to be acquired from outside. These 2 new defenders would both be vets.


That's 5 vets.

If the Canucks bring up Demko, there is no goalie in line for the Comets this season. Bachman is a UFA. Garteig was on an AHL contract and couldn't even take the #1 spot in Kalamazoo. He can't even be considered as anything more than an emergency backup like the past 2 seasons.

Lots of work to do before a Comets roster can be considered filled.

Lots of "X" s in your lineup BG... And they are all at the Center position...

Hope the hell Benning removes his head from his butt and signs at least 2 bonifide playmakers and faceoff guys... And I don't mean Hamilton, Cassels and Bancks.....

 

[Fatass]

Why are we deeming him a home run already? Or is it just your prediction?

The kid is great! He's definitely another late round homer by JB. Why the negativity? We are finally getting an actually good prospect pool, aren't we?

 

[M2Beezy]

This is good news for sure

 

[Serac]

One could almost...love this prospect

 

[Jevo]

The kid is great! He's definitely another late round homer by JB. Why the negativity? We are finally getting an actually good prospect pool, aren't we?

It's not negativity. It's about being realistic about the guy. He's had a good development year this year and deserves a contract. But he's still far away from the NHL, and he has some serious hurdles along the way. First he needs to establish himself in the AHL. That he has been a contributor in the Finnish league is a good sign that he can play at the pro level. But the AHL is more physical, and no matter how strong, that will be a challenge at his size. But even if he makes it as a good AHL player, there's still a big step to the NHL. To me it feels premature to call it a home run, when I wouldn't expect the guy to play an NHL game next year, even if his development is the best you could hope for. So far Palmu has done everything right in his development since being drafted, and if he continues to do that he will be a home run, but not yet.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

Palmu, Jasek, Gaudette. Three super picks by JB.
I think Palmu will be a good player for us. Is he the next Cliff Ronni g?

Let’s reel it in.

At one point Subban, Cassels, and Shinkuak were “super picks”.

Until they play in th NHL, they aren’t anything but promising.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

At this stage they’re homerun picks compared to other teams.

Gaudette, Palmu, Jasek, Tryamkin, Dipietro etc

This wrong. The jump to this NHL is significant.

Until they play, how could they ever be called “home runs”?? Nonsensical.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

Dahlen is a LW, but either way would be a great addition to the Comets..
Motte should return to his AHL spot in the middle.
Laplante can go to the ZOO. He is worthless.
MacMaster will step in and be a top LW. he is already under contract to Utica.
MacEwen will still be a RW.

MacMaster X Jasek.
A real good line finishing up last season when playing with Chaput.

Dahlen X MacEwen

Carcone X Palmu
These two can be swapped out on either wing.

Gadjovich X Lind

Resigning Chaput looks like a no brainer as at the moment there are 0 centers signed that will be in the AHL unless Gaudette starts there.
It would also behoove the braintrust to re-sign Boucher.
They will probably extend Cassels for at least one more season. He is nothing better than a #3 center and more like a #4.

This is nowhere near the total list of Comets up front as the fate of Chaput and Boucher is yet to be determined. They are both RFAs. Benning has to make a decision on them as neither can go anywhere until the Canucks cut them loose. They won't be on the market long if that should happen.

There are no more Comets forwards from last season that should be brought back. D'Aoust is still a possibility, but was on an AHL contract and would most likely have to receive another one. I could go either way with him. He's not a big loss if he doesn't get signed.

The Comets need 3 centers even if Chaput is re-signed and 1 has to be a #1 and the other has to be either very strong defensively or have play making skills, preferably both. This would allow for Hamilton to be let go.

Boucher, Chaput, and the #1 center would be veterans by AHL rules.
Defensively Sautner, McEneny, Brisebois, and Chatfield need to have a #1 D-man and another very solid D-man to anchor the D-core. They didn't have a true #1 last season, Holm served as the PP QB, but was not a strong #1 defender and Wiercioch was big offensively, but also wasn't a real strong defender. They need 2 guys who can do the offensive things that these 2 did, but need to be much stronger defenders. Can't count on McEneny to be one of these guys after the major knee injury that cost him most of last season. He is going to need time to just get back to where he was. Brisebois and Chatfield need to bring their games up to the next level, but #1 and #2 is out of the question at this time.

There are no more defenders coming from the Canucks past draft pools. Thus, guys are going to have to be acquired from outside. These 2 new defenders would both be vets.


That's 5 vets.

If the Canucks bring up Demko, there is no goalie in line for the Comets this season. Bachman is a UFA. Garteig was on an AHL contract and couldn't even take the #1 spot in Kalamazoo. He can't even be considered as anything more than an emergency backup like the past 2 seasons.

Lots of work to do before a Comets roster can be considered filled.

No Cole Cassels ?

 

[alternate]

Ya I'm excited to watch Mighty Mouse develop, and I'm as patient with prospects/Benning as anyone, but signing a late round puck doesn't make the pick a home run. At this point it just means Palmu has seen a couple pitches and is still alive in the box.

Homerun is a top 6 forward which is unlikely. A few hundred games as a contributing depth player would be a solid stand up triple and that's the hope at this point imo. I'd be happy with a solid single--organizational depth that plays a key role on Utica and fills in for some injuries.

 

[Melvin]

Well lets see what happens in the next week or so.

if they sign some free agents to entry level deals

You talking about this?



Or what you talking about

 

[Bad Goalie]

No Cole Cassels ?

Read it again. He's in the post.

 

[MS]

At this stage they’re homerun picks compared to other teams.

Gaudette, Palmu, Jasek, Tryamkin, Dipietro etc

No, they aren't. People get tunnel vision on their own guys and don't know a thing about all the good picks other teams made.

Let's have a look at just the 7th round of the 2017 draft, where we got another supposed 'steal' in Brassard :

#189 - Ben Jones, Vegas - 79 points in OHL last year.

#191 - Jocktan Chainey, NJ - quality 2-way defender with 40 points in Q.

#192 - Linus Weissbach, Buffalo - 5'8 Palmu-type who scored 26 points in 34 games as an NCAA freshman last year.

#194 - Dylan Ferguson, Vegas - excellent WHL goalie who got into an NHL game this year in Vegas' injury crunch.

#196 - Wyatt Kalynuk, Philly - 6'1 defender with 25 points in 34 games as an NCAA freshman last year.

#198 - Skyler McKenzie, Winnipeg - another short Palmu-type who scored 47 goals in the WHL last year and then suited up for Manitoba in the AHL playoffs.

#199 - Cayden Primeau, Montreal - 6'3 goalie turned in a massive season, maybe the top goalie in the NCAA as a true freshman. This actually is a steal and this player might be a first-rounder now and looks like the best goalie in the draft.


#201 - Logan Cockerill, NYI. Another Palmu-type who scored 20 points in 34 games as a true NCAA freshman at Boston U.

#205 - Yegor Zaitsev, NJ - KHL regular at 19, WJC captain for Russia.

#207 - Patrik Virta, NYR - scored 40 points for TPS last year. Palmu had 36 for the same team.

#209 - Nick Swaney, Minnesota - 22 points in 35 games as a freshman for Minnesota-Duluth.

#212 - Ivan Chekhovich, SJ - 60 points in Q, then 9 points in 6 games in the AHL at age 18.

________

That's pretty much half of that round who are 'steals' right now and Benning would be getting hyped if we'd drafted any of them. Plus there are a bunch more guys in the NCAA and Europe who will get bigger opportunities next year and probably break out.

Almost every pick looks good for the first two years. A pick like Brassard is barely better than average but fans pick up on the statistical improvement, don't have a good barometer of the expectations and what other guys are doing, and and suddenly ITS A STEAL.

Palmu looks like a good pick and it's good that we bet on talent with that selection. But expectations shouldn't get carried away.

 

[VanJack]

That's an impressive list of 7th rounders, but I note that most the numbers they put up were for teams in various 'amateur' leagues....I'm wondering what the story is on the Finnish Pro League?....is it the equivalent of the SHL, but behind the KHL and the AHL? What does it really mean to be 'rookie of the year' in a pro league like that? Does that make his season more impressive?

 

[CanaFan]

That's an impressive list of 7th rounders, but I note that most the numbers they put up were for teams in various 'amateur' leagues....I'm wondering what the story is on the Finnish Pro League?....is it the equivalent of the SHL, but behind the KHL and the AHL? What does it really mean to be 'rookie of the year' in a pro league like that? Does that make his season more impressive?

Conversely, we should factor in that Palmu was 20 years old to start the 2017-18 season (he’s just 5 months younger than Boeser) whereas the majority of 2017 draftees will have been 17-18 at the start of the year. How does that factor in to the “impressiveness” of his ROY in Liiga?

 

[Bad Goalie]

That's an impressive list of 7th rounders, but I note that most the numbers they put up were for teams in various 'amateur' leagues....I'm wondering what the story is on the Finnish Pro League?....is it the equivalent of the SHL, but behind the KHL and the AHL? What does it really mean to be 'rookie of the year' in a pro league like that? Does that make his season more impressive?

This was posted in the Elias Pettersson thread quite recently, post #3346.

Ranking of world hockey leagues:
1 - NHL
2 - KHL
3 - SHL
4 - AHL
5 - Swiss NLA
6 - LIIGA
7 - WCHA (Western Collegiate Hockey Conference)
8 - NCHA (National Collegiate Hockey Conference)

Thus, MS is pretty accurate in stating those other 7th round picks are comparable to the Canucks' selection of Palmu. It doesn't make Palmu any better or any worse. All are 7th rounders progressing very well at similar levels of competition and their futures will be determined by how well they continue to progress when moving up the ladder into levels of much tougher competition such as Petrus will do if he ends up on the Comets roster for 2018-19 (as he should).

It won't be a good sign if they send him back to Finland for more seasoning. If he is going to continue his progress, he should move up to the AHL at age 20 as the majority of NA players do when signing their ELCs.

 

[Fatass]

This was posted in the Elias Pettersson thread quite recently, post #3346.

Ranking of world hockey leagues:
1 - NHL
2 - KHL
3 - SHL
4 - AHL
5 - Swiss NLA
6 - LIIGA
7 - WCHA (Western Collegiate Hockey Conference)
8 - NCHA (National Collegiate Hockey Conference)

Thus, MS is pretty accurate in stating those other 7th round picks are comparable to the Canucks' selection of Palmu. It doesn't make Palmu any better or any worse. All are 7th rounders progressing very well at similar levels of competition and their futures will be determined by how well they continue to progress when moving up the ladder into levels of much tougher competition such as Petrus will do if he ends up on the Comets roster for 2018-19 (as he should).

It won't be a good sign if they send him back to Finland for more seasoning. If he is going to continue his progress, he should move up to the AHL at age 20 as the majority of NA players do when signing their ELCs.

Really like Palmu. Guy is going to be good for us. I question that the KHL is the second best league. That league in more known for a lot of out of shape players. Linden Vey was a star! Phillip Larsen was the best Dman! I don’t know who ranks the leagues, but they might want to rethink it.