Discussion in 'Vancouver Canucks' started by Zombotron, Mar 10, 2013.
No! All lines play dump and chase (without the chase) or be crushed under AV's iron fist!
I don't even remember the last time we were winning a game.
Pretty hard to do that when you're playing mostly with Lapierre, who has been brutal this season. Everyone knew the Canucks were going to have problems at center with Kesler injured, but the horrible play of Lapierre has made it twice as bad.
Look at what happened when AV played Higgins between Booth and Kassian tonight. They scored. If the Canucks would give them someone decent offensively to play with, I think you would see that line contribute on a regular basis.
Schroeder blows he might be a marginal Nhler at best but he won't be here by playoffs if we want to do anything.
As much as I want to cut them some slack, we just can't afford it at this point in the season.
AV seems to see something between Booth and Kassian as they're always played together but it hasn't produced anything. Kassian is a project but Booth is a veteran forward. If Raymond, Hansen and Higgins have found ways to score, I fail to see why Booth can't do it as well.
Alright, you guys win.
Kings I think? Seems like soo long ago though.
Schroeder is getting misused. A 5'8 rookie playing 4th line center is just a really stupid move by AV. He needs to be put back with Raymond.
We lead in the Flames game twice. Kind of sad considering we lost 4-2, lol.
Not even mad.
Someone should photoshop a picture of Henrik as Iron Man, if they haven't done so already. It may be to his and the team's detriment, but the guy is a warrior. Or a tank. Or possibly both.
Time to get the tank slogans started up though!
Stopped Winnin' For MacKinnon? Death For Seth? Stewin' For Drouin?
And last but not least... A Pooper for Cooper?
I am not necessarily referring to the scoreboard - though they tend to go hand in hand. Chicago dominated us in both games despite us having won one. Hossa was literally outplaying our entire line by himself. San Jose is another we we've struggled with. Frankly, the list goes on with how many games we either lose or win marginally. I can appreciate a slip in the standings due to Kesler's absence but not to this extent. If Kesler is that integral to our roster that we fail the instant he is not healthy. We have a serious personal problem.
Practically every rookie centre in the league gets sheltered minutes in an effort to give them confidence and allow them to acclimatise to the NHL. Especially those who are primarily 'skill' based players like Schroeder. A lesser amount of minutes, in a non-offensive role (AV does not like to use his 4th line as a scoring line, we have known this for years), provides a lesser opportunity to learn the game. Which, in turn, means we have lesser personell to work with.
Kesler has the experience that allows him to take heavy minutes and still score. He scored 75 points while playing as the primary 'hard minutes' guy. As for a 'real shut down C', we tried that last year. He got slaughtered, and we had to go right back to Kesler for the tough match-ups.
Now that we're at halfway point of the season, here's some stats for you:
The Canucks are now 11-7-6 (28p). Last year they were 14-9-1 (29p) at 24 game mark and the year before that they were 14-7-3 (31p).
Before this current stretch of 7 games (1-4-2) the Canucks were 10-3-4 in first 17 games. For comparison, last year the Canucks were 8-8-1 in first 17 games, and in 10/11 the Canucks were 10-4-3.
After the first 24 games, in 11/12 the Canucks went 15-6-3 and in 10/11 15-3-6 in the following 24 games.
So in conclusion, stats wise after these first 24 games, this team is 1-3 points behind the pace of the previous Canucks teams that won the President's Trophy last two seasons. This current team also had a better start (first 17 games) to the season than the previous PT winning teams. I'm sure that Gillis and co will look at these numbers rationally, you know, the big picture, before jumping the boat and start doing stupid **** like 99% of this sometimes ******ed board has already started doing.
We'll see what the second stretch of 24 games look like but the previous teams have won 15 games each in the last two seasons. In any case, it's safe to say that with the shortened season the veteran Canucks group won't be as successful as previous years (not enough time for other teams to cool down and not enough time for the Canucks to choo-choo to the top).
At last, some sanity...
Stats or not. If Gillis has watched the past twenty-four games and not been disgusted by the effort in at least half. We have a serious problem. As of the moment our wins are in spite of ourselves - a trend started last season, where even the media took humor in the frequent amount of "dirty wins" we piled on. What difference from the past; something statistics cannot properly demonstrate, is effort. We use to look like a contending team even in our loses. That has since changed.
How many games this year have we given the impression of post season success? I dare say you could count them on one hand. The powerplay has spiraled from lethal efficiency, to an inept mess and our penalty kill isn't all that grand either. Does our defense look promising? Have my eyes been lying when I see how god awful Edler, Hamhuis and Bieksa have been a little too often?
Last season we were 5th in scoring, 4th in GAA; first in both categories a year prior. We have since sunk to 17th and 12th respectively. In two short years, we are allowing over three times as many goals and scoring less than a third of what we use to. Do you honestly believe all shall be well in the long haul with those statistics?
Stats may provide a picture but sometimes you have consider they may be masquerading an ugly one.
The problem with the stats as you mentioned is we are at the halfway mark...... we all know vc was a slow starter, we are brutal in October, that was fine and no big deal at all, nobody cared it was an 82 game season, 24 games in left alot of open room for the remaining 58 games, this is a shortened season so you cant look at it the same or in the same context, right now we are at the half way mark, we were not previous years at the halfway mark 24 games in.
Im sure some fans think this is no big deal, were just in a slump like last year and we will turn a corner come playoffs just like last year..... if we make it to playoffs this season.
So what you're saying is that in both those years we won 3 more games and went less to OT? But somehow that's spun as a positive. How about our goal differential in those years? Pretty sure it was better.
PP scoring as well, previous two seasons our PP started off on fire and was looking dangerous. We had bright spots.
This year our PP goals will look disgusting in comparison to the first 24 games of previous seasons.
As far as I can tell, the GD to the 24 game mark was +15 last season and +21 the season prior. This season it's -1... but sure, things are clearly not so bad.
If you want a true comparable to our starts those two years, look at a team like the Kings and their record this season, along with their L10, GD, etc.
As well the other component of specialty teams play - PK.
Previous seasons - very solid. This season? meh......
Medicore to brutal on situations not involving 5 on 5 and on 5 on 5. Things aren't anywhere the same as previous seasons.
A better indicator might be to look at our record vs non divisional teams. In past years we were fine against non division teams, this year we are .500 with lots of OTL.
Lapierre looks like a much better hockey player since they told him to stop being a pest. Now that he's just focusing on hockey, he brings so much to the table
Ok, in the previous 2 seasons the canucks are 14-10. This year we are 11-13.
This does make a noticeable difference. and we are doing almost all of it without Ryan Kesler. Last year we only missed the guy for 6 games or so.
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