Post-Game Talk: Canucks 2, Wild 4: Halfway point of the season

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If the Canucks miss the playoffs, I really hope Aquilini turfs Gillis. I'd love to see Gilman run the team instead. Gillis has way too much of an ego for my liking.
 

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He was 90th in the league last year, ahead of Perry, Brown, Versteeg, Doan, Backes, Callahan, Jagr, Stastny, Getzlaf, Briere, Roy, M. Richards, Kesler, and a whack of other top 6 players.

This is you stick Perry out on a power play and he will dominate.

Hansen, not so much. This is where the talent gap becomes obvious.
 

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I'm ok with firing the coach but to state that this team is fine and only the coach is the problem is ridiculous.

That's going to be the big problem. Gillis has to make a couple of moves, and then he's almost compelled to give AV a chance to play a few more games to see if the new talent fixes it.
 

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Would you take Hansen over any of the guys you listed?

That's not really the point, is it? The point is that he can be a good Top 6 guy, even if he doesn't play the style that you guys recognize as Top 6.

I don't think anyone is saying that we couldn't use an upgrade. I mostly take issue with pretending like what's there isn't good enough to be doing better than this. It is, it's much better than that. I don't think they would win the SC with this roster (but I didn't think the NJD would get to the final either and it happened), but that's really not the point being made.
 

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Would you take Hansen over any of the guys you listed?

lol hansen over getzlaf... I think I've seen it all.

The funny thing is they are using even strength points. Maybe there's a reason hansen is not on the pp...

Who wants perry and getzlaf? we have hansen with better EV numbers.

Use less stats, and watch more hockey.
 

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That's not really the point, is it? The point is that he can be a good Top 6 guy, even if he doesn't play the style that you guys recognize as Top 6.

I don't think anyone is saying that we couldn't use an upgrade. I mostly take issue with pretending like what's there isn't good enough to be doing better than this. It is, it's much better than that. I don't think they would win the SC with this roster, but I didn't think the NJD would get to the final either and it happened.

NJD lost.

Last year was the season of the cinderella teams. Not a good year to use as a model.

Hansen isn't a top 6 guy, love the honey badger but he just isn't.

Raymond is.
 

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Would you take Hansen over any of the guys you listed?

No, because he's not as offensively gifted as any of those guys and can't produce on the PP like they can. But it's ridiculous to argue that he hasn't produced like a decent top 6 forward recently.
 

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if vancouver loses tuesday, which i think they will. coaches get booted out the door? the next day?

0% chance. The only way AV will not be behind the bench is if he died while choking on a piece of watermelon flavored Hubba Bubba.

Gillis just signed him to an extention and I honestly don't think he has the stones to sack AV so soon. Earliest I see Vignault getting canned is the offseason if we miss the playoffs or bow out in the first round
 

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That's going to be the big problem. Gillis has to make a couple of moves, and then he's almost compelled to give AV a chance to play a few more games to see if the new talent fixes it.
Gillis will just say that the shortened schedule and absence of Kesler is misstating the true ability of the club.
 

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other teams sit their top players, how come the canucks never have, when was the last time a top player sat out?

buffalo sat myers this year.. and they've done it before

why not sit edler?

I remember that brutal year by bieksa, it seemed anytime he was on the ice, there would be a goal against, i dont even recall him being sat out.
 

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0% chance. The only way AV will not be behind the bench is if he died while choking on a piece of watermelon flavored Hubba Bubba.

Gillis just signed him to an extention and I honestly don't think he has the stones to sack AV so soon. Earliest I see Vignault getting canned is the offseason if we miss the playoffs or bow out in the first round

Exactly. Even then.....if the media demands Gillis fire AV, he wont' fire him just to flaunt his power and stroke his ego.
 

John Bender*

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other teams sit their top players, how come the canucks never have, when was the last time a top player sat out?

buffalo sat myers this year.. and they've done it before

why not sit edler?

Edler should be traded. I have thought that for years. He is incredibly overrated.
 

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lol hansen over getzlaf... I think I've seen it all.

The funny thing is they are using even strength points. Maybe there's a reason hansen is not on the pp...

Who wants perry and getzlaf? we have hansen with better EV numbers.

Use less stats, and watch more hockey.

You might want to watch some hockey other than the Canucks and maybe you'll realize what a top 6 forward normally produces around the league.
 

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This is you stick Perry out on a power play and he will dominate.

Hansen, not so much. This is where the talent gap becomes obvious.

I don't think that can be argued either. He gets points through speed and hard work but he lacks the creativity and vision you expect from a top 6 player (hence no PP time). He's a great 3rd liner though. I'd love to see what a Higgins+Hansen could do with a quality 3C though. Having a 3rd line that can chip in some multi-point games during the playoffs while being strong defensively is the sort of 3rd line setup that wins playoffs games.
 

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Edler should be traded. I have thought that for years. He is incredibly overrated.

i wouldn't be AGAINST that, he still has a high value. i dont think his back can handle much in terms of consistency when it comes to physicality. and that's when hes really at his best.
 

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same, too inconsistent. plays simply too big of a role, to be so volatile.

Exactly. He does not have any calm in his game and is too erratic to be a number 1/2.

The Canucks defense is full of 3/4's and really no 1/2's. Hamhuis is a quasi-#2, but that's it.
 

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I don't think that can be argued. He gets points through speed and hard work but he lacks creativity. He's a great 3rd liner though. I'd love to see what a Higgins+Hansen could do with a quality 3C though. Having a 3rd line that can chip in some multi-point games during the playoffs while being strong defensively is the sort of 3rd line setup that wins playoffs games.

Ex ****ing actly.

Booth-Kesler-xxxx
Higgins-xxxx-Hansen
 

GhostofRichardPark

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Exactly. Even then.....if the media demands Gillis fire AV, he wont' fire him just to flaunt his power and stroke his ego.

With that being said what are the chances of Aquillini firing both of them? If I were Aquaman I would be livid with the results as of late. I'm a fan and I am fed up with the lack of production....can't imagine being an owner investing hundreds of millions of dollars into the team and seeing the same results
 
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