Canes sold 3.6m in new business for next season

Barclay Donaldson

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You've convinced me.

All Carolina needs to do is never miss the playoffs and they will be a very strong franchise.

Easy peasy. Don't know why more franchises haven't caught on.

They don't need to never miss playoffs. Obviously teams going through 25 consecutive years of being a playoff team isn't going to happen to everyone like it happened to the Red Wings. But you said "winning is temporary" and it clearly isn't. There's two easy examples in St. Louis and San Jose who've done it. They've both figured out ways to consistently play meaningful hockey late into the year since their respective inceptions in '67 and '91. They've obviously missed playoffs. St. Louis missed last year and San Jose had a horrible in 2014-15 season. You're focusing too much on the "cup or bust mentality" teams like Chicago, LA, and NY Rangers. Clearly, teams can find ways to consistently win.
 

Svechhammer

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You've convinced me.

All Carolina needs to do is never miss the playoffs and they will be a very strong franchise.

Easy peasy. Don't know why more franchises haven't caught on.
How obtuse are you trying to be here?

Nobody is saying they have to always win to be good. They just have to not be god awful terrible on a very consistent basis and things will be fine. We saw this exact same situation play out in Chicago, Pittsburgh and Washington over the last 15 years where fan engagement bottomed out right before their contending core was put into place, and nobody is ripping into them anymore. Literally, go back and look at those crowds, they were pathetic. But those fans rebounded when the organization gave them a reason, just like you are seeing in Raleigh now.
 

Jonas1235

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they at least have fans. They just leave when the team is bad. Compare that to the Panthers or Coyotes who have been more competitive in 10 years and still struggle even when they have a good team and future hall of fame players.
 

Colin226

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they at least have fans. They just leave when the team is bad. Compare that to the Panthers or Coyotes who have been more competitive in 10 years and still struggle even when they have a good team and future hall of fame players.

Panthers and Coyotes both sell out when they are in the playoffs. How is this any different?
 
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Hooby Dooby Doo

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they at least have fans. They just leave when the team is bad. Compare that to the Panthers or Coyotes who have been more competitive in 10 years and still struggle even when they have a good team and future hall of fame players.
Panthers are good?? We've won 5 playoff games in 20 years and went 12 years with no playoffs. Haven't won a series in 23 years. Start slow and play catchup. Even during the two seasons that they've been this decade, it was due to the mass amount of loser points in 2012 and the mid-season win streak in 2016. Every other team in the NHL has done more than them during that span, including this season with Columbus winning a round. At least other teams have won more than 5 playoff games.
 

Hooby Dooby Doo

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Panthers and Coyotes both sell out when they are in the playoffs. How is this any different?
I'll put out this out now before anyone else. We sold out against NJ in 2012 due to an amount of freebies if I'm not mistaken. 2016, the only sold out game was game 5.
 

Colin226

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I'll put out this out now before anyone else. We sold out against NJ in 2012 due to an amount of freebies if I'm not mistaken. 2016, the only sold out game was game 5.

I don’t recall people talking about them handing out freebies for the first round of the 2012 playoffs. I just recall a full, very loud building for all 4 games. I’m sure attendance numbers are available for 2016.

To your point above though, even the first round of the playoffs in south Florida isn’t something to rally around since they haven’t made it past that in decades. I think if Florida went on a run even to just the conference finals, the team would see more interest the following season and more belief by the fans in future postseasons.

The Coyotes had some raucous sellouts down the stretch this season when they made a playoff push. They would have sold out their playoff games had they made it. And the Coyotes are in an even worse location for the fan base than Florida is.
 
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Hooby Dooby Doo

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I don’t recall people talking about them handing out freebies for the first round of the 2012 playoffs. I just recall a full, very loud building for all 4 games. I’m sure attendance numbers are available for 2016.

To your point above though, even the first round of the playoffs in south Florida isn’t something to rally around since they haven’t made it past that in decades. I think if Florida went on a run even to just the conference finals, the team would see more interest the following season and more belief by the fans in future postseasons.

The Coyotes had some raucous sellouts down the stretch this season when they made a playoff push. They would have sold out their playoff games had they made it. And the Coyotes are in an even worse location for the fan base than Florida is.
I've never been to Arizona so I cant compare. All I know is that its a solid hour from the greater DT Lauderdale area to Sunrise during Rush hour and prior to weekday games.
I was pulling for the Yotes and was anticipating a raucous crowd if they made it. As far as the 2012 playoffs in Florida. I was at game 2, which happend to be the first playoff win in 15 years and it was insane. It was sold out, i was hammered and I had never seen the building so alive during and after a game. And I've been to roughly 60-70 games in Florida. Just like Carolina this year, people will wake up and go once they discover that it's not the same let-down team. I'm estatic for Carolina this year. I just hope it continues. I hope they get better and finish top 3 in the Metro, so it'll open a WC spot for Florida next year
 
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I've never been to Arizona so I cant compare. All I know is that its a solid hour from the greater DT Lauderdale area to Sunrise during Rush hour and prior to weekday games.
I was pulling for the Yotes and was anticipating a raucous crowd if they made it. As far as the 2012 playoffs in Florida. I was at game 2, which happend to be the first playoff win in 15 years and it was insane. It was sold out, i was hammered and I had never seen the building so alive during and after a game. And I've been to roughly 60-70 games in Florida. Just like Carolina this year, people will wake up and go once they discover that it's not the same let-down team. I'm estatic for Carolina this year. I just hope it continues. I hope they get better and finish top 3 in the Metro, so it'll open a WC spot for Florida next year

I can’t emphasize enough how much of a difference the atmosphere makes.

The first game I ever went to in Raleigh was a playoff game against the Habs. For all the things that I’ve forgotten about that night, the one thing I remember was the mocking “Ole Ole” song being sung by hundreds of people while I was standing on the crisscross escalators. That was where I, minor league hockey fan that I was, had a “damn, this is really cool” moment.

The next game I went to in Raleigh was a playoff game against the Bruins. The thing I remember about that one was being stuck in traffic on the way in, and seeing this HUGE line of tailgate tents with fans waving signs and cars honking back.

A couple of nights ago when we eliminated NYI, a mob of celebrating fans gathered around the Fox Sports TV desk outside. People were chanting, waving brooms, Hamilton the Pig showed up. I’ve been going to Canes games for a decade and never seen a spontaneous mob celebration like that. That’s probably what will stick with me 20 years from now.

There’s absolutely no comparison between that stuff, and a dull regular season loss. NO comparison. Sometimes I see people act like it’s all the same “product”... it’s not. There’s a reason even sold out O6 buildings like Toronto and MSG have a crypt-like quality during a failed regular season. The energy isn't the same. And it’s unfair to sit there and tell people who NEVER get to experience the highs, that they should just suck it up as a fan and treat chicken **** like chicken salad.
 

caniac247

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I was a STM at the start of the 2002 season. I eventually dropped my tickets prior to the 2017 season. Why you ask? Two reasons: 1) I decided to put that $3K I was spending to better use and 2) I absolutely hated Bill Peters.

I sat through 6 years of horrible hockey, seeing this team out of the playoffs by mid-december. The players were miserable, going to games were miserable when the other teams fans outnumbered your fans. It finally got the point of why am i spending $3K to be miserable. At least at home, I can turn the game off and be productive do or watch something else.

Now, here we are in the present and I have re-activated my STM account. I will once again be a STM. Why you ask? It's fun again. Peters is gone. And with Brindy at the helm, this is going to be a team that will work its arse off. They don't have to be the most skilled or talented, but they will work hard and be competitive. I'm not saying they have to make the playoffs every year, it's going to be hard being in the Metro. But for the love of all, you can't go 5, 6 or 10 straight years. Which I don't believe this team will be that bad again. There was a culture change for the good and with Brindy leading this team, I've got faith in them again.
 

BKIslandersFan

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I was a STM at the start of the 2002 season. I eventually dropped my tickets prior to the 2017 season. Why you ask? Two reasons: 1) I decided to put that $3K I was spending to better use and 2) I absolutely hated Bill Peters.

I sat through 6 years of horrible hockey, seeing this team out of the playoffs by mid-december. The players were miserable, going to games were miserable when the other teams fans outnumbered your fans. It finally got the point of why am i spending $3K to be miserable. At least at home, I can turn the game off and be productive do or watch something else.

Now, here we are in the present and I have re-activated my STM account. I will once again be a STM. Why you ask? It's fun again. Peters is gone. And with Brindy at the helm, this is going to be a team that will work its arse off. They don't have to be the most skilled or talented, but they will work hard and be competitive. I'm not saying they have to make the playoffs every year, it's going to be hard being in the Metro. But for the love of all, you can't go 5, 6 or 10 straight years. Which I don't believe this team will be that bad again. There was a culture change for the good and with Brindy leading this team, I've got faith in them again.
People paying extravagant prices for season tickets for a badly run team are suckers. Its nothing to be proud of.
 

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People paying extravagant prices for season tickets for a badly run team are suckers. Its nothing to be proud of.

That creates a no-win scenario for non-traditional markets in down years - if they buy tickets, they're suckers, but if they don't, it's proof that the market isn't worthy (rather than being an indication of smart money investment by the fans).
 

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That creates a no-win scenario for non-traditional markets in down years - if they buy tickets, they're suckers, but if they don't, it's proof that the market isn't worthy (rather than being an indication of smart money investment by the fans).

I think most people are willing to stick it out for a reasonable time. Season tickets aren’t something you commit to casually. It’s a big chunk of money and a huge time sink. People who do that are probably pretty serious about the team.

As noted above, @caniac247 hung in there through two disappointing non-playoff years, then another 6 years that were a total disaster. Then dropped out and missed yet another disaster year. That’s just too much to expect anyone to wallow through for so long. Top tier markets can survive it, but small markets (and even some large ones) are going to reach a natural breaking point once it becomes a generational catastrophe.
 

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HisIceness

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I think most people are willing to stick it out for a reasonable time. Season tickets aren’t something you commit to casually. It’s a big chunk of money and a huge time sink. People who do that are probably pretty serious about the team.

As noted above, @caniac247 hung in there through two disappointing non-playoff years, then another 6 years that were a total disaster. Then dropped out and missed yet another disaster year. That’s just too much to expect anyone to wallow through for so long. Top tier markets can survive it, but small markets (and even some large ones) are going to reach a natural breaking point once it becomes a generational catastrophe.

This is correct. Expecting fans to continue to come out to 41 home games to watch a lousy product is going to be like expecting someone who is addicted to fatty foods to quit cold turkey. It ain't happening that fast and it's going to take some time and commitment. Maybe a bad analogy but the point is year after year of .500 isn't worth anyones time. And for anyone who says something like "Well what about the Cleveland Browns?", that's 8 home games, usually on a Sunday afternoon. 41 home games on weeknights at 7pm is a different animal.

I've been a fan of this team going back to the 1999 playoffs. I've seen the dark days. I remember the two seasons after the 2002 Cup run and the empty seats after the novelty of that run wore off. I remember before the 2005-06 season got started there was an article in the News and Observer about how merchandise sales for team apparel were nearly non-existent. A lot of that had to do with the lockout but the team wasn't expected to be any good for awhile at that time.

But none of that compared to what this franchise endured for most of this decade because in the bad years of the 00's, they had a Cup win and deep playoff runs in-between. I remember the two win-and-you're-in home games that they blew in spectacular fashion. One they outshot the Panthers by 30 and lost to them at home for the first time in 6 years, and the other they got blown out by a Tampa team with nothing to play for. I remember the booing of the 11-12 team before Maurice got fired, the poor signing of Tomas Kaberle, the backfiring of extending Alex Semin, the constant revolving door of mediocre AHL players being given top-9 and top-4 roles, swiss-cheese goaltenders, and questionable coaching decisions.

On top of all this, the franchise for years would get off to lousy starts but after Mid-Feburary or so they'd get on a hot streak, only to finish 5-10 points out of the playoffs and screwing their draft position. Case in point the 14-15 season, no wins in October, and they're primed for McDavid. Yet they go on a hot streak around March and win a bunch of meaningless games and end up with the 5th pick. Or the two years before where they were in a playoff spot middle of the season and then went on a losing streak that f***ed them over down the stretch.

This season has been a dream. It hasn't been perfect but they've showed signs of actual life and improvement. More importantly, they actually won enough games to clinch a damn playoff spot. And really, thats all the fans really wanted out of this bunch. Of course we want to win more Cups too but getting out of 9th-place hell was a huge step in making the community fall in love with this team again.

Raleigh is an excellent market for the NHL. It's well-educated, fast growing, young, full of transplants who grew up with Hockey, and players like playing/living here. All things the NHL looks for in a non-traditional market. We just needed something to show us the fans that it wasn't going to be more of the same ole same ole.

Sorry for writing a novel here.

TLDR, Canes sucked for 10 years it wasn't fun to witness.
 

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Fairly random question now that we are talking about the credentials of the North Carolina market. When the Whalers first went to North Carolina, they landed in Greensboro, and we always told that attendance would be better in Raleigh. What made Raleigh the better market compared to Greensboro? And why did the NHL go to Raleigh/Greensboro instead of Charlotte? Why didn't the NHL go to the largest market in the state?
 

CharasLazyWrister

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Even in the biggest and best hockey markets (including my hometown team Boston), fan support wanes when teams are not successful.

Is it especially exaggerated in smaller/non-traditional markets? Of course. But, I’m happy to see that hockey is gaining in popularity in Carolina, even as my team competes against them in a playoff series.

...just so interesting how they are constantly bouncing up and down from basement dwellers to late round playoff team.
 

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