GDT: Canes Prospect Development Camp 2018

[Mike1167]

Sorry, that posted twice for some reason

 

[The S5]

Yeah, he seemed like he kind of dialed it back a little bit yesterday. Not that he was lazy or anything, but he was visibly less intense than the day before. I think fatigue is starting to set in, by design as the coaching staff is pushing the players to find their limits and work on them.

One thing I thought was interesting, is that they consistently use Svechnikov as the “guinea pig” when they want someone to walk through an exercise for the group. Clearly being placed in the leadership role among his peers. Also, as noted elsewhere, he’s being paired with Necas during drills and the two consistently hang together on the ice. They did a self-directed one timer drill after practice ended and most players had left.

As far as his level of play, he consistently beats these defenders in ways that we don’t see from the other players present (including Necas). One play you see him turnstile a defender with pure speed, next play he skates right through an attempted check, next he puts the puck through traffic and finds it on the other side. He makes it look easy, while other guys are getting the puck swatted away or dangling themselves into a corner.

Probably the biggest thing to me, is he consistently pushes defenders out of his way to establish himself in front of the net. Not just the fact that he CAN do that, which for example a Skinner or Aho would struggle to do. But that he has a strong inclination to just bull his way to the crease and look for a dirty goal. He plays a very NHL-style game and looks to me like he’s already been coached on how to avoid getting contained for any sustained period of time.

Also, those one-timers looked damn good.

This kid is a beast in the making. Very smooth, deceptive skater and clearly stronger than most of this peers.

 

[The S5]

Zimmer just scored with a nice shot using the dman as a screen. I think he may have scored another previously?

That kid didn't do himself any favors today. Some really poor decisions/turnovers.

 

[The S5]

Fox gets MVP of the scrimmage. Great vision, accurate passer. Looks like a future PP QB. He did get walked by Necas, but Marty was flying and got a step on him.
Svech looked great in spurts. Like others said, he almost looked like he was dialing it back a bit.
Unfortunately, none of the goalies showed any flashes of greatness.

 

[JWEKD]

The goalie pool at camp was rough. If Skinner goes to Pittsburgh, Jarry has to be a piece that comes back.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I wasn't watching the goalies all that closely today, although Jack was the most noticeable as far as skill, to me at least. I wouldn't be all that surprised if he improves enough for the NHL in the next couple of years.

 

[Canes]

Jarry is not that good though. He's not much better than Nedeljkovic if at all. If he's coming back in a trade with Pittsburgh he better be the the 3rd or 4th most valuable piece.

 

[JWEKD]

Jarry is not that good though. He's not much better than Nedeljkovic if at all. If he's coming back in a trade with Pittsburgh he better be the the 3rd or 4th most valuable piece.

There won't be that many pieces in a Skinner trade. But it would be another bullet in the goalie gun.

 

[geehaad]

The goalies who are closest to being NHL quality weren’t there, so it’s not surprising that one impressed to that extent.

 

[CandyCanes]

So Helvig didn't look any good? I'm intrigued by him as he was the 2nd best goalie in the OHL last year statistically.

 

[DaveG]

So Helvig didn't look any good? I'm intrigued by him as he was the 2nd best goalie in the OHL last year statistically.

He didn't look bad to me either, most of the issues he had were when he was getting caught by great plays from Fox. Frankly the plays he set up even prime Hasek would have had a hard time stopping.

 

[Jerkob Slavin]

9 years of missed playoffs is a cold dark place. Changes a man.

The high quality Raleigh meth helps....

 

[Vagrant]

it's not hard to imagine that some of the guys out there are playing at half speed to not get hurt before main camp, namely the guys with the most to lose. after necas' tumble into the endboards, they probably told both of them to save a little for the ones that count considering that playing full speed against prospects fighting for recognition is not a great combination. the best part of prospect camp is being able to compare drafted players across leagues and across ages in drills designed to test specific aspects of their game more than the scrimmages for me.

i have to admit though, it was great seeing eetu luostarinen showing off some development. that's way too high of a pick to miss on entirely. hopefully he's prepped for a breakout year.

 

[Lempo]

i have to admit though, it was great seeing eetu luostarinen showing off some development. that's way too high of a pick to miss on entirely. hopefully he's prepped for a breakout year.

Having been Drafted at under 20 from outside NA, the Canes keep his rights for four years, so until June 1st, 2021. He's 20 now as far as the ELC is concerned, so there's no Slide possibility. He's signed to KalPa in SML until 19/20, so signing him on NHL SPC on the duration would mean paying a ~$220k transfer fee.

= No hurry.

 

[The Stranger]

Having been Drafted at under 20 from outside NA, the Canes keep his rights for four years, so until June 1st, 2021. He's 20 now as far as the ELC is concerned, so there's no Slide possibility. He's signed to KalPa in SML until 19/20, so signing him on NHL SPC on the duration would mean paying a ~$220k transfer fee.

= No hurry.

I believe he's implying they'd "miss" in the sense of Luostarinen being a poor player or bust relative to his 2nd round expectations....not that the Canes would miss out on getting him under contract.

There was much hand-wringing over his selection by HFCanes for whatever reason. He was a fine selection though...never understood the concern...even when he got cut from the Finnish WJC team.

 

[A Star is Burns]

It's easy to understand. The 2nd round is still a round where people have strong opinions about prospects because there is still a lot of info about guys into the 2nd. Like I mentioned before the draft though, we rarely pick those guys we on the message board are targeting. People still lose their minds though.

 

[The Faulker 27]

So Helvig didn't look any good? I'm intrigued by him as he was the 2nd best goalie in the OHL last year statistically.

Helvig looked like a trash heap out there. He'll be lucky to be playing rec roller hockey.

As @DaveG said Fox forgot to check his email, and missed the memo on taking it a little easy. Kid was skating hard, and dishing out perfectly placed one timer-saucers like Niclas Backstrom.

 

[Lempo]

I believe he's implying they'd "miss" in the sense of Luostarinen being a poor player or bust relative to his 2nd round expectations....not that the Canes would miss out on getting him under contract.

There was much hand-wringing over his selection by HFCanes for whatever reason. He was a fine selection though...never understood the concern...even when he got cut from the Finnish WJC team.

Yes, that was my read too. My point was that Eetu has plenty time to show up before the pick can be considered to gone wasted, and Canes are in no hurry to make a move on him anyway.

 

[CandyCanes]

Who wants to fire up the annual draft rankings thread? I feel like we usually do a top 15? We may want to do a top 20 this year, our pool has gotten pretty dang deep.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's easy to understand. The 2nd round is still a round where people have strong opinions about prospects because there is still a lot of info about guys into the 2nd. Like I mentioned before the draft though, we rarely pick those guys we on the message board are targeting. People still lose their minds though.

That, and Eetu has shown nothing to date which suggests he should have been a 2nd rounder rather than a 3rd or 4th rounder. Swinging and missing at that point in our rebuild would be really unfortunate and seemingly an unforced error.

 

[The Stranger]

That, and Eetu has shown nothing to date which suggests he should have been a 2nd rounder rather than a 3rd or 4th rounder. Swinging and missing at that point in our rebuild would be really unfortunate and seemingly an unforced error.

McKenzie had him as a 2nd rounder in his final ranking prior to the 2017 draft.

This past season he saw time as the number 1 center in Liiga.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

McKenzie had him as a 2nd rounder in his final ranking prior to the 2017 draft.

This past season he saw time as the number 1 center in Liiga.

Yeah, the “HF expertise” of 2nd round picks amuse me. “Aho? WTF, we could have taken Bittner!”

Less than 10% of 2nd round picks become top4 D/ top 6 F. Need to keep it in perspective.

 

[Mike1167]

His name is Kooch now, and you have no say in it. Sorry.

We were right on the white goal line. (The didn't change between periods.) He was parterned with Helvig. Two 15m periods, first 4v4, second 3v3, and then the shootout. Helvig would start the periods and then Kooch would come in around Midway through.

He flat outplayed Helvig, I thought, but no one was particularly great.

Svech only tried the fancy shootout shot because Eliot actually scored with that shot during the game. I don't know how good Eliot actually is, but he's got cojones to try that shot in a game.

I texted him last night and he responded with "hahahaha" when I told him that his nickname is "Kooch" now. Sounds to me like he likes it. His mom thought it was pretty cool too!

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I texted him last night and he responded with "hahahaha" when I told him that his nickname is "Kooch" now. Sounds to me like he likes it. His mom thought it was pretty cool too!

"They're not booing, they're saying Koooooooooooch!"

 

[Mike1167]

"They're not booing, they're saying Koooooooooooch!"

Yep, it's a cool chanting name. His mom said the same thing lol