GDT: Canes Gone Wild

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  1. Joe McGrath

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    Skinner drives me nuts too, don’t get me wrong. He’s all the things you said. But he doesn’t look like he gives a **** anymore. Playing him as a 3rd liner is the exact same thing he did with Staal, though at least he played him on the top PP.
     
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    I think that not giving a **** is a cumulative thing for anyone who's here as long as Faulk/Skinner have been here. They're not kids anymore, it's a job now and the teams lack of success has to wear on them. Guys like Aho are still just happy to be playing and super pumped but it's got to be a routine to the mid 20's guys who haven't had ANY success as pros. I would think any lack of motivation comes from that before the coach. He seems like a pretty brusk fella, I'm sure he gives them an ear full all the time. I can see the argument against Peters being he just didn't win enough games when it mattered and we need a new voice. I just don't buy that the guy doesn't know what he's doing and he's the one dragging them down. I don't want him gone, but if they get someone else that wakes these guys up more I'd do my best to get behind it. I think Peters understands the current NHL well, he's getting a team slowly piece by piece that's almost built for it.
     
  3. Joe McGrath

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    Peters doesn’t have enough talent at his disposal either. I don’t think that’s arguable.

    I think the frustration with Peters manifests most because they get their doors completely blown off way too often. At the slightest bit of adversity they completely fold. And Peters reaction is basically to shrug and say we need to shave or some such bull****. He comes off as apathetic as the team does a lot of the time.
     
  4. HankAnger

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    This organization turns winners into losers.

    They underspend, they overslot, they mismanage.

    Eric Staal was the guy that Ronnie basically handed the torch to. Anyone remember that back in the day?

    Staal wasn't born lazy. He scored 40 twice. He hit. He skated. He took over games. And this ****ing org beat the will out of him.

    He's in a better place. I wish to God we were.
     
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    How much has really changed about Skinner’s environment since last year? He’s skating with the same centers, playing the same amount of PP time, even getting slightly more sheltered minutes. His total ice time has dropped off slightly, but that’ll happen when you’re skating the same position as an emerging star.

    Really the only thing is the co-captaincy. Maybe he really did feel slighted. I don’t know. It’s a dumb dynamic and we know they openly considered Williams for the C without offering it to him, so maybe Jeffrey has extremely sour grapes over that. But man, it’s been months.

    To me, he just looks like a guy who isn’t focused on the game.
     
  6. Joe McGrath

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    I could see a situation where he gave everything he had last year, it amounted to no team success, and he can’t back and found himself on the same line, with the same players and no improvement around him and just said **** this team. Especially after he scored 7 goals in the first 10 games and it got them nowhere. As Hank said, playing for this team at some point just makes players ask what’s the point.
     
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    i don't think faulk has fully recovered from his high ankle sprain in late 2016. he came back early to help with that playoff push in 2017, and hasn't regained that step. he can't skate out of trouble anymore. he almost exclusively tries to pass his way out of trouble and he's pretty bad at it because of hockey iq.

    tldr keep faulk, he's a great rebound candidate
     
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    If that's the case, I'm absolutely ok with moving on from him. Trade him tomorrow. I don't care if he scores 40 goals elsewhere, I want players who intend to be part of the solution here.
     
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    It does make the possibility of trading Faulk or Skinner more palatable I suppose. If they're out of gas playing for us give them a new home. We just need maximum value from any move. I do think Faulk will figure it out though, so I'd prefer to keep him. I would swap Hoffman for Skinner to be honest. They're both one trick ponies but to me that's a good change of scenery trade if Ottawa thinks Hoffman is a candidate for that.
     
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    This is how I feel. I believe that periodically, and more so recently, Peter's loses or has lost the room. Sometimes messages just get stale. Not being in the locker room, nobody knows, but it sure feels that way at this juncture...the toughest part is I still believe he's a pretty good coach.
     
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    Nah, we need to keep him around.

    Kind of like when you go out with friends, you want to make sure you aren't the ugliest one of the group.
     
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    Discuss.
     
  13. Joe McGrath

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    I’ve been advocating trading him since late November. I advocated trading him for Pk Subban in 2014 and I got laughed out of the thread.
     
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    Note the “if” in that sentence.

    I choose to believe that Skinner isn’t hockey emo.
     
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    How does this *not* apply to Eric Staal? Staal gave everything he had for several seasons and aside from bringing in one of this brothers, the team did nothing to surround him with talent. I have no doubt he quit on us. I honestly don't blame him. The fact that Francis allowed the same thing to happen with two more stars is yet another reason I'm not sad he's gone.
     
  17. Joe McGrath

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    Did I say it didn’t? If anything I’ve implied several times that there are similarities between the two, and Faulk to a lesser extent.
     
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    Sorry, I meant to expand on your point to the Staal apologists out there. The thinking that we'd have gotten 40-goal Eric Staal if we had signed him in free agency is just pure fantasy, and it has nothing to do with Bill Peters or his supporting cast. He got out of a crap situation here in Carolina and into a real hockey market with a real chance to win something, and he's having fun playing hockey again. There's simply no chance it would have happened that way here.
     
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    I think if they hired BB instead of Peters it may have, but that isn’t really an obvious fit either for the organization as a whole. Re-signing him when he went FA wouldn’t have solved anything.
     

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