TSN: Canadiens leaning a lot, maybe too much, on Price

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  1. mustardnight*

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    The team has talent, but the skewed possession numbers probably come with their incredible inconsistency, especially starting games. However, you can't compare the team to a team with a guy like Getzlaf who just eats up the puck for the 20-25 minutes he's on the ice. The team doesn't and can't play a game like that.
     
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    There's nothing wrong at all with having Carey Price, but he could be turning a 105-point team into a 115-point team, instead of turning a 95-point team into a 105-point team. I know which one I'd prefer.
     
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    We have PK Subban and Max Paccioretty. Both have shown they can be possession monsters. This is a GOOD roster and there's no reason we can't be at least above average possession wise. And if that happens AND we get crazy goaltending from Carey Price - that sir is a legitimate contender.

    I agree we still need a winger but this is a good team.
     
  4. Harry Wong

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    Price is our best guy so its' not unreasonable to build our young guys around him. The supporting cast should improve a little over the next year or two and as it does we probably will become a little less reliant on CP.
     
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    I think it's a contender too because I have blind faith but it's unrealistic to expect their possession numbers to be high, it's not the be all end all of winning hockey games. They don't play that way which is more of an indication that they can win otherwise, not that they are a bad team. I never mentioned the roster isn't good, but I don't get why people can't understand that Toews, Kopitar, Malkin, Tavares, Getzlaf, etc. are guys that are simply not on the team. These guys play 1/3rd of the game minimum and are generally all possession monsters day in day out. Carey isn't gonna help our possession numbers.
     
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    No it isn't. This is a good team. I'm not expecting it to be at Chicago Blackhawk levels but we should be better than we are. We're below average and there's just no excuse for that.

    Possession numbers aren't the be all and end all of winning hockey games but we don't see teams with negative possession numbers winning cups. And most don't even make the playoffs to begin with. So are they the be all and end all? No. But they are important and shouldn't be ignored.


    No, but PK Subban does. Max Paccioretty does. It's not like we don't have some top notch players of our own.

    And again, I'm not saying we have to be Blackhawk level great on possession but is it too much to ask to be at least above average? I don't think so.
     
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    The Habs will, unfortunately, be bounced by a superior possession team in the first round (TB or Detroit). If they somehow manage to win the division, they might get by a team like the Rangers, but then it will just be Detroit or TB in the second round.

    I hope that encourages a coaching change. Because this team could be monstrous if it played in a possession-savvy system.
     
  8. DLOs monstruous neck

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    A lot of people here are fooled into thinking the Habs are a legitimate top-5 team in the League. Fact is, they're a good team, nothing more. Nothing they've done has suggested they're anything more than that. I don't think with the current personal in place, it's reasonable to expect them to be a 115 points team, even with Carey Price's support. They're a 92-98 points team, with a great goalie making them a 100-105 points team.
     
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    Pretty much agreed, though I would like to see this set of personnel applied by a different coach with a different (possession-aware) system. I think the roster is solid. The roster, all other things equal, is a contender. Price is a big part of that, but the skater group is strong enough that with even goaltending it could do damage in a better system.
     
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    Just so we're clear on what you're saying here: currently in the East, a "92-98 point team" is a non-playoff team. You're actually arguing their roster is below-average in the East.
     
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    You saved me a lot of typing.

    Thanks. Lol
     
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    Yeah it's nice to let me off he hook with answers that were only vaguely relevant to what I said.
     
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    Yeah that's the big red flag there. Not Subban's possession number, not Pacioretty's possession numbers but the number while both are on the ice together. Subban all alone on a bad team, barely breakeven on possession, I buy it. Same for Pacioretty. But good tactics has those two closer to 60% than to 50% while on the ice at the same time.
     
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    97-98 points all but guarantees a playoff spot, I'm not sure why you tried to spin his post.
     
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    Only when competing for the 100% irrelevant corsi cup
     
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    Probably that based on current point trends this season in the East, 98 points may be the cut off for making the playoffs? and that 92-97 points may not even be enough to make the playoffs. So without elite goaltending, the Habs are a playoff bubble team, hanging out with the Bruins and Panthers.
     
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    Steve Simmons?
     
  18. Sugar Domi

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    I don't know who that is..

    But I'll say Drew Doughty ?
     
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    I'll take the Toronto Maple Leafs for 1000 Alex...
     
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    TSN based sports commentator. Also said this when a Washington Post article suggested the Leafs were getting lucky last year based on corsi:

     
  21. Sugar Domi

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    How long will corsi/fenwick/advanced stats people bandy around their ultimate victory over leafs fans ?

    I don't care about the maple leafs. If you had asked me if the leafs were a good team I would have told you that they weren't. I never needed any numbers to tell me that. Joke team run terribly. If the leafs are the ultimate victory of advanced stats... then it is not much of one.
     
  22. Lafleurs Guy

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    You are certainly behaving like one though.

    (Minus the jersey throwing of course.) :laugh:

    And it sure is strange how you can see that the Leafs aren't good but when we get outshot 26 to 4 you sit there and talk about shot quality. Yeah, no difference at all.
     
  23. Captain Mountain

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    Calm down. I wasn't insinuating anything. Just a case of deja vu. You're welcome to your opinion (BTW, the Leaf are neither the biggest nor most recent "victory", whatever that means).
     
  24. Nynja*

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    The teams generally competing for the 100% irrelevant corsi cup tend to be competing for the 100% stanley cup in late may and june.

    But keep saying its irrelevant.
     
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    Not this year it doesn't. The 8th-place team is on pace for 98 points this year.

    Buffalo's historic craptitude is skewing everyone else.
     

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