Rumor: Canadiens informed Pacioretty they will not negotiate a contract extension with him

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The LA Kings wanted him at 6x6. Brisson must have said something Pacioretty didn't like because the next day Pacioretty had a new agent and the whole deal fell through. Because of that, the Kings went three years for Kovalchuk instead. Manarino discussed the numbers, McKenzie and Friedman discussed the process.

It would be crazy for Pacioretty to accept 6x6 when JVR just got 7x5. He took a bath the last several years on the deal he signed when Bergevin became GM when his agent at the time told him making what Erik Cole made would be good for him. He fired that agent. He wants to get paid. He's starting at $8M. The 8 year part is certainly wishful thinking but if you want to walk him down from eight year, you better up the pay.

no where Am I watching or reading does it say he asked for 8M. you clearly speculate at this point. He wanted more than 6M but never asked for 8M.
 

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tony marinaro lol.
I still don'T trust the source until I will see that he clearly asked for 8M, which I doubt big time.

So you believe the $6M part, which he is the only one to report, but you read it incorrectly to be what he wanted (why wouldn't the Kings say yes to that?) but you don't believe the $8M part when that's $1M more than what JVR got in Philly?

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So you believe the $6M part, which he is the only one to report, but you read it incorrectly to be what he wanted (why wouldn't the Kings say yes to that?) but you don't believe the $8M part when that's $1M more than what JVR got in Philly?

"Mrs. Gump. He's going to have to go to a special school. And he'll be just fine."

the 6M was said by multiple sources that I don't feel to find this Thursday morning, but the 8M part was said by 1 source who is not known for being trustworthy.
 

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If Pacioretty thinks he's getting 8x8 he's delusional. Maybe he's firing agents because they're telling him the truth, "Max, there's not a market out there where you're worth 8 mil cap hit."

The last time an American kid with a questionable ticker got overpaid was Bobby Ryan. How'd that turn out? Very similar players, him and Max. Both big, American snipers with questionable heart, tenacity and killer instinct. No team is paying Pacioretty top dollar. The dude pretty much crumbled, cracked and publicly stated he couldn't handle the pressure of being the captain. Who in their right mind is paying 8x8, or even 7x7 for that? Maybe 6.5 or 7x5 max, like JVR. JVR just came off a 36 goal season, so I don't think Max tops that's. It's always "what have you done for me lately."
 
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If Pacioretty thinks he's getting 8x8 he's delusional. Maybe he's firing agents because they're telling him the truth, "Max, there's not a market out there where you're worth 8 mil cap hit."

The last time an American kid with a questionable ticker got overpaid was Bobby Ryan. How'd that turn out? Very similar players, him and Max. Both big, American snipers with questionable heart, tenacity and killer instinct. No team is paying Pacioretty top dollar. The dude pretty much crumbled, cracked and publicly stated he couldn't handle the pressure of being the captain. Who in their right mind is paying 8x8, or even 7x7 for that? Maybe 6.5 or 7x5 max, like JVR. JVR just came off a 36 goal season, so I don't think Max tops that's. It's always "what have you done for me lately."

Max played all his career with better plays, shots, positioning, etc than JVR. JVR had more than 1 bad season but Max is being put down because he had 1 bad season ? Also, Max is more consistent than Ryan, I suggest you go watch some game or look at his stats my dude...
 
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Max played all his career with better plays, shots, positioning, etc than JVR. JVR had more than 1 season but Max is being put down because he had 1 bad season ? Also, Max is more consistent than Ryan, I suggest you go watch some game or look at his stats my dude...

Who gives a crap about stats. Max is soft as kleenex tissue, is coming off a very down year, and is going to be 30 in 4 months. You really think a team is going to pay him 7 or 8 million when he's 35, 36, 37? You're out of your mind lol.

Pacioretty is a very good player, with a top end shot, but he lacks any type of intangibles that warrant massive dollars and term. I've watched Pax since day 1...he scores the lion's share of his goals from outside the circles. JVR is willing to take a beat down in the paint... that's the difference. Max could get a JVR deal, unless a team is completely dysfunctional and lacks a longterm direction.

And I'm sure Max's "woe is me, I can't handle the pressure with the C" act didn't do him any favors. Granted, Montreal is a tough market. Wearing the C as an American kid makes it even tougher. But, suck it up, play through it, and don't whine or act like a baby.
 

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Who gives a crap about stats. Max is soft as kleenex tissue, is coming off a very down year, and is going to be 30 in 4 months. You really think a team is going to pay him 7 or 8 million when he's 35, 36, 37? You're out of your mind lol.

Pacioretty is a very good player, with a top end shot, but he lacks any type of intangibles that warrant massive dollars and term. I've watched Pax since day 1...he scores the lion's share of his goals from outside the circles. JVR is willing to take a beat down in the paint... that's the difference. Max could get a JVR deal, unless a team is completely dysfunctional and lacks a longterm direction.

no team will pay 8M for 7 years, never said he would get that. on hte free market he will but as a trade piece he wouldn't

he wants 7 years so at 7 years he will get 7-7.5M

Also, I would prefer a talented sniper over a juggernaut like JVR/simmonds. snipers are so rare to find in modern NHL days
 

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If Pacioretty thinks he's getting 8x8 he's delusional. Maybe he's firing agents because they're telling him the truth, "Max, there's not a market out there where you're worth 8 mil cap hit."

Start high, settle closer to your high than your low. LA wanted around $6M due to their limited cap. They couldn't goto $7M.

Pacioretty likely settles between $7M and $7.5M for 5-7 years. All depends on the team. He's had an identical goals per game as Evander Kane in the past three seasons and the third best goals per game among left wingers in the past five years. All without ever having a legitimate #1 centre to play with, and with last season being probably the worst of his career.
 

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Max played all his career with better plays, shots, positioning, etc than JVR. JVR had more than 1 bad season but Max is being put down because he had 1 bad season ? Also, Max is more consistent than Ryan, I suggest you go watch some game or look at his stats my dude...

The problem is that his bad season was his most recent one.
 

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Habs fan here and I agree 8x8 is insane, hes never getting that, BUT i would agree hes worth as much if not more as JVR, so same deal for Patches would make sense. 5x7 I could see happening
 

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Right now, the money doesn't seem to be the problem. Pacioretty wants a no-trade clause and it make little to no sense to give him one when we need to rebuild.
 

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Habs fan here and I agree 8x8 is insane, hes never getting that, BUT i would agree hes worth as much if not more as JVR, so same deal for Patches would make sense. 5x7 I could see happening

This is right. 7 mil is a reasonable number for Max - the main issue is the term. Players like Max (in style) tend to fall off a cliff around 33 or so. He's not a 200 foot demon or a center who could still be valuable in other ways, say as a top-end shutdown center, once his skills and speed decline a little. If Max isn't scoring 28-36 goals a year, he's not worth much. So, I could see teams paying him handsomely but only for 5 years max... no way 7.

I think JVR's 7x5 is a very good measuring stick for Max. To be honest, if he's willing to do that, I think the Habs could actually get a semi-decent return for him. But the Tiffoli + Vilardi talk is foolish. The Kings wouldn't trade either of them for Max, let alone both. MAYBE a Toffoli 1-for-1.
 

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This is right. 7 mil is a reasonable number for Max - the main issue is the term. Players like Max (in style) tend to fall off a cliff around 33 or so. He's not a 200 foot demon or a center who could still be valuable in other ways, say as a top-end shutdown center, once his skills and speed decline a little. If Max isn't scoring 28-36 goals a year, he's not worth much. So, I could see teams paying him handsomely but only for 5 years max... no way 7.

I think JVR's 7x5 is a very good measuring stick for Max. To be honest, if he's willing to do that, I think the Habs could actually get a semi-decent return for him. But the Tiffoli + Vilardi talk is foolish. The Kings wouldn't trade either of them for Max, let alone both. MAYBE a Toffoli 1-for-1.

Agreed with what you said, minus the last sentances. No one said it was both. They said one or the other, and that source, which i dont like in the first place, said it wasnt true anyway.

I think some mentioned Muzzin was rumored to be part of the return.
 

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Not sure what their cap situation looks like, but maybe Zacha + Wood + 1st?

Effectively, they have the most cap space in the league, so signing someone like Patches to an extension is not a problem. I can tell you though, Montreal is not getting anything close to that extension or no extension.
 

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Well perhaps they should work on a trade before telling him outright they aren’t going to sign him :dunno:

But if his agent/he leaked it...speaks to us character, I’d steer clear if I was a prospective team

Well, this is a rumor. Maybe it's true? Maybe they told him the truth when Patch/Agent asked. Maybe they tried to re-sign him but the contract AAV and term was too much? But what about the other rumor a month ago where they said the Habs were going to re-sign Patch? The point is... it's all rumors and they are rarely right.

At the end of the day, Patch's low return value is as a rental in the next trade deadline. His value don't get less than the typical return you get for a guy like Patch at any given trade deadline. All other NHL GM's that have made inquiries likely already know the situation. The question is how high Bergevin's price is and what are the best offers up to this point? None of us know. The sign and trade fits for both the Habs and the team trying to acquire him but that increases the return value too so go figure.
 

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