Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by flamesforcup, Feb 8, 2019.
Is Tavares as good as McDavid?
It is warranted because you aren’t going to lose the player but you are forced to match the offer sheet that has been proposed.
I don’t think offer sheets would’ve been a huge concern and there was still lots of time to negotiate before then.
What about those who say if both sides are ready to agree on a new contract that it should get done. Using your logic why did Connor McDavid sign his extension on July 5, 2017 and not wait until June 30, 2018 when he could have almost became an RFA.
Why do people act like Lucic is the only overpaid UFA in history? There are like 5 from his UFA class alone. And he was a UFA signing that has absolutely nothing to do with the Mathews deal.
Draisaitl was slightly overpiad at the time, by maybe 0.5-1.0m but he was signed for 8 years - meaning in the last few years it would be a steal (considering what he has done this year it already is if you ask me). Mathews is overpaid by a similar amount and is only signed for 5 years
I’ve been saying the whole time that I don’t think Dubas should’ve given him that deal.
It's ironic, no wait, that's the wrong way to express this...its your lack of reading comprehension that leafs fans love the Matthews deal. You're definitely the kind of guy who only pays attention to what he wants to pay attention to. 9 out 10 leafs fans hate it, and you'll point the finger at that 1 guy. I guess it makes you feel smart? Which contracts do we dump on btw? I'm genuinely curious as to what you're talking about.
Why are we even comparing the two? One was an RFA and the other was a UFA. McDavid also took a lot less than he could have and we all know that. Nonetheless, those aren't comparable contracts.
You never answered me if you think the Oilers should have also waited before McDavid signed his extension in July 2017? You said there was no rush for Matthews to sign his and wouldn't you have also said that about McDavid?
Agreed that they are not comparable since McDavid could have become an RFA and Tavares was a UFA. They are only similar in that Tavares also look less from the Leafs ($11 million AAV) compared to the Sharks offer which was $13 million AAV.
Tavares left $2M/year for 7 seasons $14M total on the table to play in Toronto. There is not a GM in the NHL that does not take JT on his current contract.
Dubas did right on this one!
Tavares is a stud #1 franchise C. I never said as good.
What do you mean? Each team is restricted by a hard salary cap, and there is a maximum salary per player (that no one has ever received).
How can they fix a system that isn't broken?
Why are you telling me this?
I commented on the contract given to McDavid, and you respond telling me about John Tavares.
Are you confused?
Not at all.
Here in lay the core of the problem. You can't raise the cap without negatively affecting those "food stamp" teams. And if you think you can simply move them and start up a new market, think again.
There is a reason markets are selected and there is only a limited number of them, and isn't because there aren't enough rich people with free money to use. If the NHL was successful as this post makes it out, they wouldn't have an issue shifting teams around to different/new markets and continue to grow profit. The fact is the sport is ranked 4 or 5 in North America, and there isn't a great deal of room for growth as previous 2 decades have shown. It wasn't the fan growth that expanded the potential for cap growth, it was communication/media deals, i.e. television deals, that have allowed the cap to grow.
There is a definite correlation between the contracts being handed out and the crunch teams feel with regards to the cap when combined with the lack of parody for an equally balanced league, especially given the projections are a minimal cap growth for the next 5 to 8 years with the expansion teams (Vegas and Seattle) leveling off to levels for new organizations. This is already playing out in strong small markets like Buffalo, Columbus, Carolina, Ottawa and Florida to name a few. Hell, even legendary original 6 team Detroit is currently feeling a bit of a crunch for several factors. To simply write off the financial side of the league is foolishness imo. There is a reckoning coming over the situation, similar to the last one, only this time, the cap won't climb at the pace it did before, once again, imo.
Gms giving out bad contracts is why the league has so many lock outs, and where heading for another one.
Since the owners got a lot of concessions they wanted from the players during the previous lockout into the current CBA, what other reasons besides player contracts are reasons for another possible lockout? Bettman always seem to say that league revenue is great and etc.
Why should he get 8years at high cap hit if he's only got 69 points career high.
They always find a way to get more money, im not saying that mathews contract is bad, it just seems that theres a lot of bigger numbers out there since the past few years, hockey is still a niche sport, i just see the gms hurting the game in the long run, its totaly there job to build a winning team, juat tired of all the lockouts over the years.
No, it's not.
In my opinion the problem seems to be the way Matthews bonuses were structed, however there is nothing stopping any of the other 30 teams to do the same thing when re-signing their own RFA's or possible UFA's. Like I said before I think a worse thing is Tampa Bay using the no state tax advantage which is something the majority of other teams can not use, compared to the way Kyle Dubas decided to give out Matthews the bonuses.
There is no way to fix that though? Another lockout will serve as a soft reset, GM's and agents will find new loopholes, and in 6-7 years we'll be at where we are now again
It's completely ignored here that he took a lot less to sign with the Leafs. It's not about bragging rights at all, it's that salaries are going up even more. Tavares isn't worth more than McDavid, we all know that. It's more about that we're headed towards another lockout. Owners aren't going to let these contracts continue. This summer will be the nail in the coffin.
Tavares was also a rare occasion because prior to him signing in Toronto we always saw players of his caliber always re-sign with their former team. Gord Miller even said his signing was the biggest one since Scott Niedermayer went from New Jersey to Anaheim as a UFA in 2005.
Don’t jump into a conversation you’re not a part of and haven’t been following. Go away.
Tavares’ contract is fine and yes, he’s a trmendous player.
All I said was that McDavid is on a great contract and for whatever reason you felt the need to chime in and say “And Tavares salary is less, and bad yet” as if comparing Tavares and McDavid is at all relevant or that the two of them are somehow comparable in any way. It isn’t, and they aren’t.
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