Canadian Division (Canada Cup) Part XI

[4EDM14OIL93]

Him saying the Leafs were 100% the better team is complete BS lol. CHillax dude. The Leafs were not the better team in all 8 games. Hell no.

Funny thing is, 5 of the Oilers best 10 possession games this year have been against Toronto.

Yeah I wasn’t sure if he meant the Leafs were the better team over the series or if they were the better team in every single game. Figured it wasn’t even worth addressing lol

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

Why wouldn't they? In fact, most of the players would agree.

He means he bent over for them with their contracts, kinda handcuffing him to sign another top player.

But yes, Dubas has done great. Filled every need you can get, supported hia stars with the right players, veteran experience, toughness, and depth all down the line up. Goaltending a about iffy but he got depth there too... He did his job, it's up to the players and star players now to show they're worth the price range they fought for.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

So Winnipeg won in the most Winnipeg way possible tonight.

-Get badly outshot 32-19 and have Hellebuyck stand on his head? Check.
-Score 4 goals on less than 20 shots? Check.

 

[Leaf Fans]

He means he bent over for them with their contracts, kinda handcuffing him to sign another top player.

But yes, Dubas has done great. Filled every need you can get, supported hia stars with the right players, veteran experience, toughness, and depth all down the line up. Goaltending a about iffy but he got depth there too... He did his job, it's up to the players and star players now to show they're worth the price range they fought for.

He is wrong.

 

[Mickey Marner]

The athletic threw me for a loop.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Oilers having a weak defence is a straight up myth

We are playing much better hockey than when we last played the leafs

Things Oiler fans have said before every time we have beat them for $100 Alex.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

He means he bent over for them with their contracts, kinda handcuffing him to sign another top player.

But yes, Dubas has done great. Filled every need you can get, supported hia stars with the right players, veteran experience, toughness, and depth all down the line up. Goaltending a about iffy but he got depth there too... He did his job, it's up to the players and star players now to show they're worth the price range they fought for.

How many top players do they need?

Toronto is one of the only teams in the league pretty much devoid of bad contracts that would be difficult to move. The only one you MIGHT make an argument on is Tavares.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Habs/Jets getting interesting now. Habs can't catch the Jets in ROW's so they need to win outright if they want 3rd so they need to gain 3 points on Winnipeg in 4 games with no head to head opportunities. Habs with four tough games to finish out with one b2b game against a fresh opponent (tonight), the Jets with tough matchups and two that should be easy and no b2b's against a rested opponent.

The odds are heavily stacked against the Habs on paper...but Winnipeg has played so poorly lately. Montreal has to consider every remaining game a must-win if they even care about moving up (maybe it's no big deal anyway).

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Habs/Jets getting interesting now. Habs can't catch the Jets in ROW's so they need to win outright if they want 3rd so they need to gain 3 points on Winnipeg in 4 games with no head to head opportunities. Habs with four tough games to finish out with one b2b game against a fresh opponent (tonight), the Jets with tough matchups and two that should be easy and no b2b's against a rested opponent.

The odds are heavily stacked against the Habs on paper...but Winnipeg has played so poorly lately. Montreal has to consider every remaining game a must-win if they even care about moving up (maybe it's no big deal anyway).

I'd venture to say they are moreso looking to get healthy, prep special teams, assignments... than treating the rest of the way as "must win"

 

[Notsince67]

Things Oiler fans have said before every time we have beat them for $100 Alex.

Reminds me of Bagdad Bob aka Chemical Ali in gulf war 1

 

[Weezeric]

So Winnipeg won in the most Winnipeg way possible tonight.

-Get badly outshot 32-19 and have Hellebuyck stand on his head? Check.
-Score 4 goals on less than 20 shots? Check.

Hah the Flames had only 3 high danger chances at 5v5, despite playing from behind for 59 minutes of the game. Jets will take that everyday. Thanks for checking out the box score though.

 

[Petrus]

He means he bent over for them with their contracts, kinda handcuffing him to sign another top player.

But yes, Dubas has done great. Filled every need you can get, supported hia stars with the right players, veteran experience, toughness, and depth all down the line up. Goaltending a about iffy but he got depth there too... He did his job, it's up to the players and star players now to show they're worth the price range they fought for.

Yet Dubas was rated by HF boards as a worse GM than Benning!

 

[Holymakinaw]

Yet Dubas was rated by HF boards as a worse GM than Benning!

LOL. Not a surprise.

 

[General Disarray]

Jets would have been better off missing the playoffs. Get the coach and GM fired especially now that Gorton is available, get a better draft picks and try harder next season.

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

Things Oiler fans have said before every time we have beat them for $100 Alex.

There is no need to lie here

And either way you realize we are 29-11-2 in the last 42 games even including leafs games?

 

[viper0220]

What are the chances the Flames make the playoffs?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

There is no need to lie here

And either way you realize we are 29-11-2 in the last 42 games even including leafs games?

I'm not lying at all. Each time the Leafs have played the Oilers they have been "hot" coming into the games and the Leafs dumped a bucket of water over it. You guys stunt on the bad teams in the division that's cool. Totally irrelevant to a playoff series between Toronto and Edmonton.

 

[SensFactor]

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

That. Or your starting goalie has been playing extremely well. One of the two. Probably door #2.

Ironically enough, the reason the Leafs have a winning record against the oilers is because of goaltending. Leafs had unreal goaltending for the first 4 and the Oilers goalies fell apart the next 3. Take a look at xG% (a stat leaf fans are generally obsessed with)

Game	xGF%
2021-01-20 - Oilers 3, Maple Leafs 1	62
2021-01-22 - Oilers 2, Maple Leafs 4	58.21
2021-01-28 - Maple Leafs 4, Oilers 3	58.9
2021-01-30 - Maple Leafs 3, Oilers 4	61.59
2021-02-27 - Maple Leafs 4, Oilers 0	56.67
2021-03-01 - Maple Leafs 3, Oilers 0	65.22
2021-03-03 - Maple Leafs 6, Oilers 1	43.83
2021-03-27 - Oilers 3, Maple Leafs 4	32.93
2021-03-29 - Oilers 3, Maple Leafs 2	40.62

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

But in reality xGF% is way too flawed to be used reliably and besides that 3 game stretch all 6 games weaver very close. Not nearly as lopsided as leafs fans claim.

also, is anyone else surprised that the guy who has the strongest opinions on every team only watches leaf games?

 

[shaner82]

So, if Toronto doesn't at least make the cup finals, that has to be considered a massive failure right? Everything out there I'm reading has the expectation being for this team to make a serious cup run. If they lose in round 1 or 2 what will happen? They going to blow the team up? Going to have some serious questions to answer if they don't go deep.

A loss in rounds 1 or 2 is a massive failure and changes will need to be made. A loss in round 3 isn't necessarily a failure. It depends on who they play and how the series unfolds. If they get swept, obviously that's a failure. If they took a very good Las Vegas team, for example, to 7 games and Vegas goes on to win the cup, is that really a failure?

 

[The90]

Ironically enough, the reason the Leafs have a winning record against the oilers is because of goaltending. Leafs had unreal goaltending for the first 4 and the Oilers goalies fell apart the next 3. Take a look at xG% (a stat leaf fans are generally obsessed with)

Game	xGF%
2021-01-20 - Oilers 3, Maple Leafs 1	62
2021-01-22 - Oilers 2, Maple Leafs 4	58.21
2021-01-28 - Maple Leafs 4, Oilers 3	58.9
2021-01-30 - Maple Leafs 3, Oilers 4	61.59
2021-02-27 - Maple Leafs 4, Oilers 0	56.67
2021-03-01 - Maple Leafs 3, Oilers 0	65.22
2021-03-03 - Maple Leafs 6, Oilers 1	43.83
2021-03-27 - Oilers 3, Maple Leafs 4	32.93
2021-03-29 - Oilers 3, Maple Leafs 2	40.62

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

But in reality xGF% is way too flawed to be used reliably and besides that 3 game stretch all 6 games weaver very close. Not nearly as lopsided as leafs fans claim.

also, is anyone else surprised that the guy who has the strongest opinions on every team only watches leaf games?

Cool. But like the Canadiens problem, xgf only accounts for shots not WHO is taking those shots. Outside your big 2, how many of those forwards are top line players? It’s. Volume game for depth scoring after Mcjesus and drai fill the net. But like montreal, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. Not sure what’s wrong with having a strong opinion, other than it doesn’t match what you want it to. Btw I never claimed the leafs utterly dominated anyone at any point this year even during that 3 game set. I know damn well they’re not a perfect team.

 

[AvroArrow]

Ironically enough, the reason the Leafs have a winning record against the oilers is because of goaltending. Leafs had unreal goaltending for the first 4 and the Oilers goalies fell apart the next 3. Take a look at xG% (a stat leaf fans are generally obsessed with)

Game	xGF%
2021-01-20 - Oilers 3, Maple Leafs 1	62
2021-01-22 - Oilers 2, Maple Leafs 4	58.21
2021-01-28 - Maple Leafs 4, Oilers 3	58.9
2021-01-30 - Maple Leafs 3, Oilers 4	61.59
2021-02-27 - Maple Leafs 4, Oilers 0	56.67
2021-03-01 - Maple Leafs 3, Oilers 0	65.22
2021-03-03 - Maple Leafs 6, Oilers 1	43.83
2021-03-27 - Oilers 3, Maple Leafs 4	32.93
2021-03-29 - Oilers 3, Maple Leafs 2	40.62

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

But in reality xGF% is way too flawed to be used reliably and besides that 3 game stretch all 6 games weaver very close. Not nearly as lopsided as leafs fans claim.

also, is anyone else surprised that the guy who has the strongest opinions on every team only watches leaf games?

Watch the games, we both can agree that eye test >>> analytics. Edmonton was badly outplayed in almost every game, especially the 3 games in a row where McDavid got shut out while Edmonton was on their hottest streak of the season. Funny enough only reason the leafs have a winning record is by being the better team. Edmonton has been the easiest matchup for the leafs by far. 2 Dangerous players, the rest of the team is pretty garbage. Check your GDT/PGT threads vs Toronto, your posters speak for themselves.

Our goaltending had been utter garbage until March.

The goalies didn't fall apart in the next 3, Edmonton was dominated. Shutout 2 games in a row, only allowed 1 goal in the 3rd game. With three different starting goalies for each game. You can't win when your offence gets locked down and limited to 1 goal in 3 games. Not sure how you're actually trying to blame the goalie for the team only being able to generate 1 goal in three games but sure.

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

I'm not lying at all. Each time the Leafs have played the Oilers they have been "hot" coming into the games and the Leafs dumped a bucket of water over it. You guys stunt on the bad teams in the division that's cool. Totally irrelevant to a playoff series between Toronto and Edmonton.

You act like it’s guaranteed the leafs would beat the Oilers in the playoffs. The arrogance is not a good look. We will see what happens if we meet.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

Watch the games, we both can agree that eye test >>> analytics. Edmonton was badly outplayed in almost every game, especially the 3 games in a row where McDavid got shut out while Edmonton was on their hottest streak of the season. Funny enough only reason the leafs have a winning record is by being the better team. Edmonton has been the easiest matchup for the leafs by far. 2 Dangerous players, the rest of the team is pretty garbage. Check your GDT/PGT threads vs Toronto, your posters speak for themselves.

Our goaltending had been utter garbage until March.

The goalies didn't fall apart in the next 3, Edmonton was dominated. Shutout 2 games in a row, only allowed 1 goal in the 3rd game. With three different starting goalies for each game. You can't win when your offence gets locked down and limited to 1 goal in 3 games. Not sure how you're actually trying to blame the goalie for the team only being able to generate 1 goal in three games but sure.

We definitely agree with the bolded. But those first 4 games the oilers were definitely the better team imo. Obviously we both have biases so probably wont agree. The next 3 oilers came out on fire but I’m pretty sure our goalies let in 3 goals on the first several shots. Game was over as soon as it began. Sucks but not indicative of the oilers imo. The last 2 oilers had good goaltending but the leafs skaters played better. If you actually think the oilers are garbage besides 2 players I’m not sure there’s much point in continuing this conversation. I’m not a leaf fan but I’m perfectly capable of admitting they are a good team...

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

Cool. But like the Canadiens problem, xgf only accounts for shots not WHO is taking those shots. Outside your big 2, how many of those forwards are top line players? It’s. Volume game for depth scoring after Mcjesus and drai fill the net. But like montreal, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. Not sure what’s wrong with having a strong opinion, other than it doesn’t match what you want it to. Btw I never claimed the leafs utterly dominated anyone at any point this year even during that 3 game set. I know damn well they’re not a perfect team.

For sure we both agree that analytics are flawed. The problem with having a strong opinion about other teams when you only watch them when they play your team means your strong opinion is largely uninformed.