Canadian Division (Canada Cup) Part V

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ReginKarlssonLehner

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Yeah... if the Flames keep playing the way they have they are unlikely to make the playoffs.

1. Toronto
2. Montreal
3. Winnipeg
4. Edmonton
5. Vancouver
6. Calgary
7. Ottawa

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Karl Eriksson

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With the divergence in Allen and Price’s play, is there a scenario where the Habs miss this year and Bergevin extends Allen and retains a chunk on Price to move him?
 

WillTheThrill

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Big come from behind win for Edmonton last night. Still kinda early but it feels like we can cross Vancouver and Ottawa out. At the moment it looks like Montreal and Calgary will be battling for that final playoff spot.
 

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Big come from behind win for Edmonton last night. Still kinda early but it feels like we can cross Vancouver and Ottawa out. At the moment it looks like Montreal and Calgary will be battling for that final playoff spot.

Not that early. Season is nearly half finished for Van.

They would have to go something like 20-10-3 at this point to make the playoffs. Can't see it happening.
 

Zybalto

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Current playoff chances (via Moneypuck):

Leafs: 97.5%
Oilers: 91.9%
Habs: 87.9%
Jets: 66.4%
Flames: 39.5%
Canucks: 10.8%
Sens: 6.1%
 

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With the divergence in Allen and Price’s play, is there a scenario where the Habs miss this year and Bergevin extends Allen and retains a chunk on Price to move him?
Tough, but what team would be willing to take it on? Montreal would have to eat at least 3 million.
Edmonton next offseason perhaps?

That makes Edmonton an actual contender
 

Karl Eriksson

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Tough, but what team would be willing to take it on? Montreal would have to eat at least 3 million.
Edmonton next offseason perhaps?

That makes Edmonton an actual contender

Price at $8M might work? Agree Oilers make sense to me too. They would have to give up nothing basically.
 

Bouboumaster

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You are like Nostradamus!

It seems you were not surprised unlike the rest of us outside the province of Quebec? Where there a lot of rumours that this was going to happen?

Pretty much everyone knows that Bergevin is canned at the end of this seasons if the team miss again.
Bergevin is playing for his job right now. Lot of people were displeased with the use of players (Chiarot on 3 vs 3??) and the special units are just terribad.

Julien is GREAT to make a system but once the other team figured it out, he did nothing to change the situation
 

Critical13

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Pretty much everyone knows that Bergevin is canned at the end of this seasons if the team miss again.
Bergevin is playing for his job right now. Lot of people were displeased with the use of players (Chiarot on 3 vs 3??) and the special units are just terribad.

Julien is GREAT to make a system but once the other team figured it out, he did nothing to change the situation
I disagree. The underlying numbers show that no one has really figured out Montreal 5v5. I don't believe a head coach deserves to lose his job for 3v3 or special teams when you are an elite 5v5 team.

Maybe the new guy will prove me wrong, but Julien's system seemed to be wringing every bit of winning potential out of a group that was poorly built. The Edmundson and Anderson signings to me are a great example of a GM making the wrong moves.
 

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I wonder how Canucks fans feel about watching the Habs pull a trigger on firing the coach after the roster has vastly overachieved. Canucks have taken 5 steps back from last season and yet the owner is still backing the GM and coach.

Also for the record, Habs problem is from GM and scouting down, not just with poor coaching. Coach can only do so much when your $10.5 mil goalie is crapping the bed every game.
 

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Tough, but what team would be willing to take it on? Montreal would have to eat at least 3 million.
Edmonton next offseason perhaps?

That makes Edmonton an actual contender

Price has been .910 or worse in three of the last four seasons. He's been sub replacement level this season and is 34 after next offseason, and that's on a Montreal team with everyone and their donkey insisting having a vastly better defence than in Edmonton.

Even 3 million retained he's still got a 7.5 million dollar caphit for the next five seasons.

Unless we're getting Price for Neal and some throw-in pieces, Edmonton should absolutely not be interested.
 
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rubikscube

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Price has been .910 or worse in three of the last four seasons. He's been sub replacement level this season and is 34 after next offseason, and that's on a Montreal team with everyone and their donkey insisting having a vastly better defence than in Edmonton.

Even 3 million retained he's still got a 7.5 million dollar caphit for the next five seasons.

Unless we're getting Price for Neal and some throw-in pieces, Edmonton should absolutely not be interested.
I think he could re-gain his form behind a good team on the rise like Edmonton.

But what alternative do you guys have though? You can't continue with the path you're on with Mike Smith. It's suicide.

I mean I'm sure there's something and Oilers fans would know better than me, but they need a change in net somehow someway
 

RogerR

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Habs are screwed with Price. Teams see you can get a better goalie for 3-5 million per, They won't bite on Price. 5 years left. 5...
 

ChaoticOrange

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Current playoff chances (via Moneypuck):

Leafs: 97.5%
Oilers: 91.9%
Habs: 87.9%
Jets: 66.4%
Flames: 39.5%
Canucks: 10.8%
Sens: 6.1%

How on earth do the 9-9 Habs have better odds than the 11-7 Jets? Weird. I do agree those are probably the four playoff teams though.
 
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After someone wins the division they should be banned from the rest of the playoffs, because they're not gonna win the SC. ;)
 

ChaoticOrange

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I think he could re-gain his form behind a good team on the rise like Edmonton.

But what alternative do you guys have though? You can't continue with the path you're on. It's suicide.

I mean I'm sure there's something and Oilers fans would know better than me, but they need a change in net somehow someway

Signing any of Rask, Binnington, Grubauer, Raanta, Andersen, Halak, or Mrazek in free agency would be fine.

Smith has somewhat surprisingly been fine, and Koskinen is fine as long as he gets proper rest.

There are lots of options, including making a trade for someone that's not sundowning and signed for an eternity with an enormous cap hit. Price is about the worst option I can possibly think of.
 

lamp9post

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With the divergence in Allen and Price’s play, is there a scenario where the Habs miss this year and Bergevin extends Allen and retains a chunk on Price to move him?

Well, Allen has already been extended and will likely be exposed in the expansion draft as Price has a NMC and must be protected. However I wonder if Seattle might possibly be an option if Price would waive it. He's from that area and the cap hit might be as prohibitive to an expansion team. Still, with (I think) 4 years remaining, Price is a pretty difficult sell for any team.
 

ChaoticOrange

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Well, Allen has already been extended and will likely be exposed in the expansion draft as Price has a NMC and must be protected. However I wonder if Seattle might possibly be an option if Price would waive it. He's from that area and the cap hit might be as prohibitive to an expansion team. Still, with (I think) 4 years remaining, Price is a pretty difficult sell for any team.

Five years after this year and takes up 13% of the cap. It's gonna be a tough sell with anyone, and the return will not be good.
 

Zybalto

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How on earth do the 9-9 Habs have better odds than the 11-7 Jets? Weird. I do agree those are probably the four playoff teams though.

Probably takes into account how strong a teams underlying numbers are and strength of schedule.

The Habs sitting 5th on their data driven team power rankings and the Jets having 18 of 38 games coming up against the Leafs (who are 3rd) and Habs is certainly something to consider.
 
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Jimmy Firecracker

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I wonder how Canucks fans feel about watching the Habs pull a trigger on firing the coach after the roster has vastly overachieved. Canucks have taken 5 steps back from last season and yet the owner is still backing the GM and coach.

Habs still have expectations and a shot of making the playoffs so firing the coach before things get too dire makes sense if they believe all their struggles are due to Julien (and not an incomplete roster). Vancouver is virtually done this season, whether they fire Green or not. They should at least can Benning and bring in a GM for the long term before the TDL so he has time to fix their mess.
 

Wats

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I disagree. The underlying numbers show that no one has really figured out Montreal 5v5. I don't believe a head coach deserves to lose his job for 3v3 or special teams when you are an elite 5v5 team.

Maybe the new guy will prove me wrong, but Julien's system seemed to be wringing every bit of winning potential out of a group that was poorly built. The Edmundson and Anderson signings to me are a great example of a GM making the wrong moves.

Curious, but why do you feel Anderson is an example of a wrong move? He's been one of the most consistently good forwards on the Habs all season and producing at a higher rate than expected.
 
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