Canadian Depth

Discussion in 'International Tournaments' started by arnie, Dec 29, 2004.

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  1. arnie

    arnie Registered User

    Dec 20, 2004
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    Canadian like to go one about how Canada has the greatest hockey players. They ignore the steady decline in the % of Canadian players in the NHL, the 7 straight failures in the WJC and the fact that although they are currently on the upswing, they failed to win a single international tournament between 1990-and the Olympics.

    Then they go on about how much depth Canada has and that their third team ciould be everyone else too. I decided to see what the facts say by looking at the results of the two major second-tier tournaments, the Spengler Cup and the Would Hockey Championships.

    World Hockey Championship

    1985 Czechoslovakia
    1986 Soviet Union
    1987 Sweden
    1989 Soviet Union
    1990 Soviet Union
    1991 Sweden
    1992 Sweden
    1993 Russia
    1994 Canada
    1995 Finland
    1996 Czech Republic
    1997 Canada
    1998 Sweden
    1999 Czech Republic
    2000 Czech Republic
    2001 Czech Republic
    2002 Slovakia
    2003 Canada
    2004 Canada

    Canada 4 out of 20

    Spengler Cup

    2004 Team Canada (Canada)
    2003 Team Canada (Canada)
    2002 Team Canada (Canada)
    2001 HC Davos (Switzerland)
    2000 HC Davos (Switzerland)
    1999 Kolner Haie (Germany)
    1998 Team Canada (Canada)
    1997 Team Canada (Canada)
    1996 Team Canada (Canada)
    1995 Team Canada (Canada)
    1994 Farjestad Karlstad (Sweden)
    1993 Farjestad Karlstad (Sweden)
    1992 Team Canada (Canada)
    1991 CSKA Moscow (Russia)
    1990 Spartak Moscow (USSR)
    1989 Spartak Moscow (USSR)
    1988 USA Selects (USA)
    1987 Team Canada (Canada)
    1986 Team Canada (Canada)
    1985 Spartak Moscow (USSR)

    Canada 10 out of 20

    Total 14 canadian wins in 40 tournaments. Good but not overwhelming and certainly no evidence of dominating depth of talent.

    I can hear the Canadian whining already. "Boo hoo, we didn't send our best players to those tournaments." Well, neither did anyone else.

    Overall, it seems likely that Canadian hockey is on an upswing. But over the last 20 years, they have hardly dominated either best-on-best competitions or secondary tournaments.

    Lastly, the Canadians have no place to go but down. The world is catching up. Counties like Awitzerland are suddenly developing playuers. The US now has more kids playing hockey than Canada and is just beginning to see players develop in secondary hockey locals like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. In 10-15 years, the Canadians will be lucky to have a 1/3 of the NHL players.
  2. Macman

    Macman Registered User

    May 15, 2004
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    And you're basing all of this on the world championships and the Spengler Cup, of all things? Nice analysis Einstein.

    How about "first-tier" tournaments like the Canada Cup/World Cup and the Olympics since 1996? They are the only best-on-best tournaments ever played and Canada's record is dominant.

    Canada Cup/World Cup

    1976 -- Canada.
    1981 -- Russia
    1984 -- Canada
    1987 -- Canada
    1991 -- Canada
    1996 -- U.S.
    2004 -- Canada

    Olympics since best-on-best

    1996 -- Czechs
    2002 -- Canada

    That's six of nine. Not too shabby in my books.

    Failed to win a single international tournament between 1990 and Olympics? How about seven world juniors.
  3. 12# Peter Bondra

    12# Peter Bondra Registered User

    Apr 15, 2004
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    Im locking this NOW cause it wont turn into anything good yet again.
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