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the it's theoretically the same...get the vaccine, save lives

but I guess there's needs to be a "deadly" threshold to meet
It isn't practically the same. Efficacy numbers do matter.

Also, many other vaccines have been mandated and have saved millions of lives. Polio, Smallpox.
 
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like where?

gee I wonder why


just cause you're willing to submit your rights for the illusion of safety, doesn't mean other people are

"freedom" isn't safe or risk-free, but it is essential...but hey, it's "just a couple weeks"

Freedom also requires personal responsibilty and sacrafice in a time of crisis. It also means balancing individual freedom with collective freedom.
 

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Freedom also requires personal responsibilty and sacrafice in a time of crisis. It also means balancing individual freedom with collective freedom.
Good point. All those crying "ma freedom" are only thinking about individual freedom without regard for anything not personally related to them.
 
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like where?

None really for the lockdowns, but SK did pretty well with other methods we could have used if people were not living in fear of big brother.
gee I wonder why

Because many people are idiots.

just cause you're willing to submit your rights for the illusion of safety, doesn't mean other people are

"freedom" isn't safe or risk-free, but it is essential...but hey, it's "just a couple weeks"

Again with the irrational fear of big brother. Main problem of the western countries. Guys like you see every little thing as an attack on your rights.
 

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Again with the irrational fear of big brother. Main problem of the western countries. Guys like you see every little thing as an attack on your rights.
This has been a huge issue with GOP in the States and their propaganda Fox network. They label anything with any touch of regulation socialism/communism and spread disinformation which many seem to be buying. Not as big a problem in Canada but Canadians are not immune to disinformation coming from south of the border.
 
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67.164% and 27.771% on June 28
67.310% and 29.134% on June 29
67.459% and 30.584% on June 30

Projected July 15...69% and 52%
Projected July 31...71% and 67%


67.468% and 30.676% on July 1
67.719% and 33.033% on July 2
67.796% and 33.898% on July 3
67.878% and 34.660% on July 4
68.031% and 36.087% on July 5
68.156% and 37.238% on July 6
68.271% and 38.444% on July 7
68.430% and 39.915% on July 8
68.568% and 41.209% on July 9
68.654% and 42.079% on July 10
68.728% and 42.755% on July 11
68.874% and 43.932% on July 12
68.975% and 44.921% on July 13
69.095% and 45.920% on July 14
69.215% and 46.947% on July 15

69.339% and 47.957% on July 16
69.486% and 49.190% on July 18
69.605% and 50.190% on July 19
69.704% and 50.975% on July 20
69.921% and 52.771% for July 22
70.172% and 54.622% on July 25
70.288% and 55.531% on July 26
70.489% and 56.783% on July 28
70.593% and 57.386% on July 29

70.869% and 58.403% on July 31


Sheesh...another month gone.

I was on the money on first vaccines but way off the mark on second doses. In June, we were hitting 600,000 which was great but unsustainable. Expected to fall down to 400,000 and maybe 300,000 in August, but far from it. We are under 300k for a while now and the downward trend continues.

This is not good because if the decline continues, it will push second dossiers into late September and October, just in time when people start going indoors. There is also a silver lining because if vaccine protection does indeed decline with time, there will be millions with "fresh" protection.

The good news is that we are still dribbling in the .1%. That is about 35-40,000 a day.

Hoping and expecting there is a strong jump as school season starts with an upswing in late August and early September..
 
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67.164% and 27.771% on June 28
67.310% and 29.134% on June 29
67.459% and 30.584% on June 30

Projected July 15...69% and 52%
Projected July 31...71% and 67%


67.468% and 30.676% on July 1
67.719% and 33.033% on July 2
67.796% and 33.898% on July 3
67.878% and 34.660% on July 4
68.031% and 36.087% on July 5
68.156% and 37.238% on July 6
68.271% and 38.444% on July 7
68.430% and 39.915% on July 8
68.568% and 41.209% on July 9
68.654% and 42.079% on July 10
68.728% and 42.755% on July 11
68.874% and 43.932% on July 12
68.975% and 44.921% on July 13
69.095% and 45.920% on July 14
69.215% and 46.947% on July 15

69.339% and 47.957% on July 16
69.486% and 49.190% on July 18
69.605% and 50.190% on July 19
69.704% and 50.975% on July 20
69.921% and 52.771% for July 22
70.172% and 54.622% on July 25
70.288% and 55.531% on July 26
70.489% and 56.783% on July 28
70.593% and 57.386% on July 29

70.869% and 58.403% on July 31


Sheesh...another month gone.

I was on the money on first vaccines but way off the mark on second doses. In June, we were hitting 600,000 which was great but unsustainable. Expected to fall down to 400,000 and maybe 300,000 in August, but far from it. We are under 300k for a while now and the downward trend continues.

This is not good because if the decline continues, it will push second dossiers into late September and October, just in time when people start going indoors. There is also a silver lining because if vaccine protection does indeed decline with time, there will be millions with "fresh" protection.

The good news is that we are still dribbling in the .1%. That is about 35-40,000 a day.

Hoping and expecting there is a strong jump as school season starts with an upswing in late August and early September..
There was an "expert" on news station who claimed 100% coverage was necessary. If you understand statistics, this guy should be fired immediately for stating that. You already have enough coverage anyways to limit spread to not overload hospitals.
 

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Does anyone know what's going on in Quebec the last fee days on vaccinations? Numbers have been really high. They had been settling to around 70K doses a day, but has been more than double that the last couple of days. I'm unsure if it's a data catch up, or if there's been a renewed push.

It's good to see either way. They've hit 74% of total population (and over 85% of eligible population).
 

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Does anyone know what's going on in Quebec the last fee days on vaccinations? Numbers have been really high. They had been settling to around 70K doses a day, but has been more than double that the last couple of days. I'm unsure if it's a data catch up, or if there's been a renewed push.

It's good to see either way. They've hit 74% of total population (and over 85% of eligible population).

Probably a data dump as Sante Quebec twitter is still posting numbers around 70k. One possibility I see are people registering their vaccination they got in the US with the government to participate in the vaccine lottery.
 
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In Waterloo we continue to have a rather unusual distribution on the vaccines: 1= 1 dose F= Fully vaccinated.

80+187.64
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70-7987.59
70-79F83.4
60-6984.29
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18-29 at 87.79% is the single highest number for one dose of any age group.
 

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In Waterloo we continue to have a rather unusual distribution on the vaccines: 1= 1 dose F= Fully vaccinated.

80+187.64
80+F83.97
70-7987.59
70-79F83.4
60-6984.29
60-69F77.76
50-5981.72
50-59F72.94
40-4980.57
40-49F69.45
30-3982.79
30-39F67.51
18-2987.79
18-29F66.85
12-1771.12
12-17F50.15
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
18-29 at 87.79% is the single highest number for one dose of any age group.

I wish those numbers were across canada.

That exercise we went through a few days ago is dead if we start from 250k and drop down every week. It will short about a million over 4 weeks and add a couple of weeks. Hopefully there is a spike coming in a few weeks just before school opening.

With the vaccine available as a walkin, I don't understand why people are so f***en lazy. It certainly can't be any "I'll take it later so I'm more protected if it wains". Unless of course the garbage media is selling that and I'm not aware of it.
 

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I wish those numbers were across canada.

That exercise we went through a few days ago is dead if we start from 250k and drop down every week. It will short about a million over 4 weeks and add a couple of weeks. Hopefully there is a spike coming in a few weeks just before school opening.

With the vaccine available as a walkin, I don't understand why people are so f***en lazy. It certainly can't be any "I'll take it later so I'm more protected if it wains". Unless of course the garbage media is selling that and I'm not aware of it.

The best you can do is to locally identify where the issue are and design a targeted solution. Take the vaccine to where the people are if you can identify a portion of the population that would get vaccinated if it was not for some sort of obstruction that could be very specific to that population. Cities like Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal may need very different straategies than a place like Waterloo.

Truthfully though , I think that the only way to change things would be by restricting access or adding rules for unvaccinated people. I hate that it has potentially come to thsi. We have at hand a solution to what is possibly the most comprehensive societal problem in my life time, but some just refuse to be part of the solution.
 
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Jason Kenney and trying don’t belong in the same sentence. He’s f***ed up four separate times this pandemic by gambling. He’s dogshit.

Removing every restriction and declaring the pandemic over is the hasty rash decisions that have f***ed my province over and over. But this is what happens when people care more for their bottom lines than you know, lives.

Kenny wanted to wear his cowboy hat and reopen the Calgary Stampede because to him that seemed an essential to the people of Calgary….for some reason.

Kenny and his government have botched this up more times than I can count, but he’s just appealing to his ‘angry albertan’ voters who are tired of the pandemic.
 

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The best you can do is to locally identify where the issue are and design a targeted solution. Take teh vaccine ti where the people aree if you can identify a portion of the population that would get vaccinated if it was not for some sort of obstruction that could be very specific to that population. Cities like Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal may need very different straategies than a place like Waterloo.

Truthfully though , I think that the only way to change things would be by restricting access or adding rules for unvaccinated people. I hate that it has potentially come to thsi. We have at hand a solution to what is possibly the most comprehensive societal problem in my life time, but some just refuse to be part of the solution.

Local approaches are the best way forward now, and I hope those are being worked on.

I think we'll still continue to see a steady vaccination rate. I think the talk of a fourth wave, both here and the US, which still dominates our media, will help convert some holdovers.

I'm still amazed at how many people I know that aren't fully vaccinated because they have appointments booked for later dates, and just aren't motivated to move up.

I also wonder what's going to be the impact when they inevitably start shutting down mass vaccination sites. From people I know working something of these sights, it's becoming slower and slower. They'll probably be consolidation of sorts happening by the end of the month. Hearing it'll be less convenient in the future may trigger some people to go out and finally get their shot.
 

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what a f***ing joke with mask mandates still in place… absolutely pointless, changed nothing

I should be able to do whatever I want since vaccines work… “Trust the science”

I know next time to just ignore public health messaging, just lies
 

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I’m double shot since the end of June

what a f***ing joke with mask mandates still in place… absolutely pointless, changed nothing

I should be able to do whatever I want since vaccines work… “Trust the science”

I know next time to just ignore public health messaging, just lies
Did you really think the whole purpose of vacines was so you would not have to wear a mask??? The whole country is opening up because of vaccines. Wearing a mask in a store is at worst a minor inconvenience.
 
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what a f***ing joke with mask mandates still in place… absolutely pointless, changed nothing

I should be able to do whatever I want since vaccines work… “Trust the science”

I know next time to just ignore public health messaging, just lies

This is why you are still wearing masks


And science isn't the truth......science is finding the truth and when it change his mind it's because it is learning, evolving and getting better and smarter. Science isn't lying to you....you simply don't understand science.
 

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This is why you are still wearing masks


And science isn't the truth......science is finding the truth and when it change his mind it's because it is learning, evolving and getting better and smarter. Science isn't lying to you....you simply don't understand science.


Guess we will be masking and lockdown forever then… under 12 can’t even get vaccinated

the restaurant I work for is going to go out of business for sure without being able to fully open.

sucks to have to find a new career because covids forever since vaccines don’t work
 

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Guess we will be masking and lockdown forever then… under 12 can’t even get vaccinated

the restaurant I work for is going to go out of business for sure without being able to fully open.

sucks to have to find a new career because covids forever since vaccines don’t work
Vaccines work extremely well. Pandemics don't have a set time table but they have always ended.
 
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Guess we will be masking and lockdown forever then… under 12 can’t even get vaccinated

the restaurant I work for is going to go out of business for sure without being able to fully open.

sucks to have to find a new career because covids forever since vaccines don’t work

I know this is going to sound shocking, but there’s more to this pandemic than just you. And vaccines do work. You’re pedaling usual non sense.
 

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Guess we will be masking and lockdown forever then… under 12 can’t even get vaccinated

the restaurant I work for is going to go out of business for sure without being able to fully open.

sucks to have to find a new career because covids forever since vaccines don’t work

- Kids under 12 should be able to get the vaccine around mid-winter if everything goes well.
- What lockdown? Are you lockdown?
- And mask are there exactly to prevent what you don't want: Future lockdown

I don't know about everyone's numbers, but here in Quebec in the last 4 weeks, we had 1912 new cases which only 145 of them were fully vaccinated people.

So roughly the 50% of the population not fully vaccinated are responsible for 92% of our cases.
The 50% who are fully vaccinated are responsible for 8%. Vaccines work.

There's still around 10 millions people not vaccinated in Canada.
Big chunk is our kids....the others are the ones preventing us from going forwards.
 
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