foggyvisor
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Got my first dose of Moderna in an 18+ Hot Spot in Toronto yesterday. So lucky to have got it before the Hot Spot roll-out tanked.
Sick leave is the only thing that would make a difference of those three things. Curfews and construction shut down won't have much impact besides to harm people already hurting economically. They need to implement stricter safety measures for essential workplaces, prioritize vaccinating them (i.e. showing up to a workplace and vaccinating everyone there on a day), and bring the hammer down hard on any business caught violating the new measures to send a message. Enforcement has been a joke so far, like a $1000 fine for a factory with a massive outbreak.An Ontario cabinet meeting is happening right now where they're apparently looking at modelling data, and are expected to announce more measures by tomorrow it sounds like.
Unless Ford is willing to address some of the long standing measures that he's passed on (sick leave, shutting construction, curfew), I'm not sure what further can be done. There's a very good chance that he just announces another made up status word with no actual changes.
Sick leave is the only thing that would make a difference of those three things. Curfews and construction shut down won't have much impact besides to harm people already hurting economically. They need to implement stricter safety measures for essential workplaces, prioritize vaccinating them (i.e. showing up to a workplace and vaccinating everyone there on a day), and bring the hammer down hard on any business caught violating the new measures to send a message. Enforcement has been a joke so far, like a $1000 fine for a factory with a massive outbreak.
While I agree with you, the problem since the beginning is they have tried to please everyone. That never works. The lockdown we are in now should have happened at the beginning as well as enforcement. All those people that were out protesting in Niagara last weekend should have all been charged for not social distancing and having a group of over 5.An Ontario cabinet meeting is happening right now where they're apparently looking at modelling data, and are expected to announce more measures by tomorrow it sounds like.
Unless Ford is willing to address some of the long standing measures that he's passed on (sick leave, shutting construction, curfew), I'm not sure what further can be done. There's a very good chance that he just announces another made up status word with no actual changes.
While I agree with you, the problem since the beginning is they have tried to please everyone. That never works. The lockdown we are in now should have happened at the beginning as well as enforcement. All those people that were out protesting in Niagara last weekend should have all been charged for not social distancing and having a group of over 5.
They should have been doing that since day 1.The same should apply to those people who have been protesting at Nathan Phillips Square. Or kids and their parents meeting and playing at a playground. Etc.
This current wave was kicked off by essential workplaces and schools. Schools have been shut down, and unless they plan on shutting down essential workplaces, a curfew will do nothing.My issue with a sick leave program is that it's probably too late. A competent government would need at least a week or two to put a program in place. Who knows how this government would do.
It should have been done months ago, and at this stage, only these severe quick solutions (like a curfew or shutting more things down) are left as an option.
We'll see what they do. It's hard to have any confidence in any meaningful action.
The only way to change things is to get people vaccinated. It's time to switch from age groups now and to people who work in high risk areas.This current wave was kicked off by essential workplaces and schools. Schools have been shut down, and unless they plan on shutting down essential workplaces, a curfew will do nothing.
The only way to change things is to get people vaccinated. It's time to switch from age groups now and to people who work in high risk areas.
An Ontario cabinet meeting is happening right now where they're apparently looking at modelling data, and are expected to announce more measures by tomorrow it sounds like.
Unless Ford is willing to address some of the long standing measures that he's passed on (sick leave, shutting construction, curfew), I'm not sure what further can be done. There's a very good chance that he just announces another made up status word with no actual changes.
The issue seems to be the supply, not the demand.
With 3.5 million unused vaccines, I'd offer a third option, being logistics, as one if the bigger issues.
The issue seems to be the supply, not the demand.
Further up i posted a picture of an almost empty vaccine center in Quebec. Too many people don't want the AZ so jab them to those who will take them. Meanwhile, start lowering the age on Pfizer/Moderna. It should be 50 plus now...Don't know if you're on Twitter but Dr Bogoch has an excellent 8-10 part tweet explaining what's happening, it's not logistics.
In a small summary he said that Pfizer is coming in regularly like clockwork, those doses are sent to the mass vaccination sites and are pretty much used up by the end of each week. Moderna is much more sporadic arriving, these are slated to go to the pop up sites, etc. The arrival days keep changing.
He said that the largest bulk of the "doses in freezers" claim are the Astra Zeneca doses, they are hardly flying off the shelves in the 55+ age group, not many want that one. They come in large numbers and pretty much sit there. Hopefully that will change in the coming days as they open up more pharmacies and clinics with the AZ.
An anecdotal story, my buddy yesterday just walked into a Loblaws pharmacy, no appointment, nothing and got the shot on the spot. I really hope they can rescue the reputation of the AZ, there's lots out there.
Don't know if you're on Twitter but Dr Bogoch has an excellent 8-10 part tweet explaining what's happening, it's not logistics.
In a small summary he said that Pfizer is coming in regularly like clockwork, those doses are sent to the mass vaccination sites and are pretty much used up by the end of each week. Moderna is much more sporadic arriving, these are slated to go to the pop up sites, etc. The arrival days keep changing.
He said that the largest bulk of the "doses in freezers" claim are the Astra Zeneca doses, they are hardly flying off the shelves in the 55+ age group, not many want that one. They come in large numbers and pretty much sit there. Hopefully that will change in the coming days as they open up more pharmacies and clinics with the AZ.
An anecdotal story, my buddy yesterday just walked into a Loblaws pharmacy, no appointment, nothing and got the shot on the spot. I really hope they can rescue the reputation of the AZ, there's lots out there.
I agree. Give people the information they need to make an informed decision and let people choose for themsleves.To be honest, with the AZ vaccine they should just give it out to whoever wants it. If people are rejecting doses when they arrive, they should open it up to anyone.
We definitely need to get certain populations vaccinated quickly but if they are denying immunizations, getting shots into ppl who want them is better than not doing it (imo anyways)
To be honest, with the AZ vaccine they should just give it out to whoever wants it. If people are rejecting doses when they arrive, they should open it up to anyone.
We definitely need to get certain populations vaccinated quickly but if they are denying immunizations, getting shots into ppl who want them is better than not doing it (imo anyways)
Don't know if you're on Twitter but Dr Bogoch has an excellent 8-10 part tweet explaining what's happening, it's not logistics.
In a small summary he said that Pfizer is coming in regularly like clockwork, those doses are sent to the mass vaccination sites and are pretty much used up by the end of each week. Moderna is much more sporadic arriving, these are slated to go to the pop up sites, etc. The arrival days keep changing.
He said that the largest bulk of the "doses in freezers" claim are the Astra Zeneca doses, they are hardly flying off the shelves in the 55+ age group, not many want that one. They come in large numbers and pretty much sit there. Hopefully that will change in the coming days as they open up more pharmacies and clinics with the AZ.
An anecdotal story, my buddy yesterday just walked into a Loblaws pharmacy, no appointment, nothing and got the shot on the spot. I really hope they can rescue the reputation of the AZ, there's lots out there.
To be honest, with the AZ vaccine they should just give it out to whoever wants it. If people are rejecting doses when they arrive, they should open it up to anyone.
We definitely need to get certain populations vaccinated quickly but if they are denying immunizations, getting shots into ppl who want them is better than not doing it (imo anyways)
This is the forecast that triggered todays meetings.
These models are usually built on current trends without assumption of additional measures, so, I wonder if it takes into account the most recent measures, or makes any assumptions of reduction of spread via vaccines.
My hope was that even with aggressive variants, that we can get the R<1. If this is taking all that into account though, and we can still see that type of growth, then things are going to get bleak.