WJC: Canada 2019 Roster Talk

[JackSlater]

With very few games left to be played before the camp, this is my roster updated to reflect the training camp invites

Lafreniere Glass Leason
Comtois Veleno/Frost Vilardi
Ratcliffe Hayton Suzuki
Formenton Dellandrea Tippett
Front/Veleno

Smith Dobson
Joseph Bouchard
McIsaac Mitchell
Brook

Scott/DiPietro/Villalta

Roll the lines pretty evenly at even strength, give the tougher matchups to the third and fourth lines as they are listed. Roll the defensive pairings pretty evenly at even strength too. Glass is having a strong year and I think that his puck protection and with Lafreniere's would be good. They need a goal scorer to complement them as at the moment I prefer Leason to Tippett. Veleno or Frost gets the second spot on an offensively oriented line depending on who plays better and clicks with the linemates better. Vilardi can play centre, but with Canada it is convenient when a centre is adept at playing the wing as well. The line also needs a goal scoring complement, and Comtois provides that in addition to being a physical force at this level. It helps slightly that Veleno and Comtois have at least a little experience playing together in junior. Hayton is a solid two way player and Ratcliffe is not bad in this regard either. Suzuki like Vilardi can play the wing and can act as the primary offensive puck carrier on the line. Ratciffe provides a player more oriented to goal scoring in addition to working as a defensive tandem with Hayton, plus his size is nice. Dellandrea and Formenton is another defensive pairing that works on this line and can be used on the PK. Tippett is there because I need another right side forward and though I am not a big fan, he can probably be used as a goal scoring threat on his own line. Even if he doesn't do that, he can provide size and speed or simply be replaced.

Smith and Dobson is a versatile pairing with two players who do pretty much everything well. Bouchard is a strong offensive defenceman, so I paired him with a strong defensive defenceman. McIsaac and Mitchell are paired under the same logic as Joseph and Bouchard. Brook is having a good year and deserves to be there, but I didn't like how he played in the super series. He would probably be fine further up the lineup, and I expect that with his junior coach in charge he will have a more prominent role.

Play whichever goaltender looks most competent in the camp and the exhibition games. I want all three there, though Hockey Canada seems to disagree.

 

[newfy]

Veleno might end up a top 2 center on this team the way hes been rolling offensively. Another 5 point night tonight puts him at 28 points his last 8 games. I know some people on here have questioned his offense in the past but the tear hes been on is hard to argue against. 1st round pick, best player in the Q, hockey Canada.

I had him on the bubble, possibly on the outside looking in to start the year, but if theres a guy who has played himself onto the team and into what could be a big role it has to be him

 

[czechcanadian]

It’s not their decision. Nice seeing you already generating excuses for potential losses before the teams have already practiced, though.

While I’m very happy we won’t have to play against him, he’s not even PPG (much less over) and I strongly suspect the offense will continue to decrease. He wasn’t overly impressive in the summer, and he’s never been a huge offensive producer. Everyone lost their minds at his early production, which included a bunch of points coming from pucks bouncing off his ass or skates and a couple underwhelming shots that goalies whiffed on. Still a great pick for Ottawa, but he’s a good complementary piece, not a line driver. People expecting him to be a 70 point scorer are out of their minds.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[Dominance]

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

While you do, naturally, and believe he can maintain a 73 point pace.

Anyways, this isn’t the time and place.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

I've seen Dellandrea play numerous times. Most recently November 30th where he had 2 goals. He is a very good player however he takes a lot of stupid penalties and has been horrendous at face-offs this year.

359 FOW
615 FOA

58.4% on the dot.

Soooo horrendous.


Add to that 26 PIMs in 27 games..(2 fights, minus 10 mins)

16 minor penalty minutes.

Man is he ever taking a lot of stupid penalties and horrid on the faceoff.

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Your opinion is just awful.

 

[cg98]

He's been good the past couple of games. November 30th game was horrible 9/25. There has also been a few other bad games. Last year he went through a couple of slumps. I retract my horrendous remark as I meant to add it to the game I saw him play Nov 30th.

He plays on arguably the worst team in the CHL and is over a PPG while winning over 50% on the dot and only having 26 pims in total. You dont know what the hell youre talking about.

 

[newfy]

359 FOW
615 FOA

58.4% on the dot.

Soooo horrendous.


Add to that 26 PIMs in 27 games..(2 fights, minus 10 mins)

16 minor penalty minutes.

Man is he ever taking a lot of stupid penalties and horrid on the faceoff.

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Your opinion is just awful.

Read the whole thread, that guys scouting report came from an actual game he was at. 9/25 on the draw is horrible, at least that guy goes and watches games to form his opinion on players and isnt a stat watcher. Sure, Dellandrea is actually usually pretty good on the draw but at least this poster has went and saw him actually play

 

[Betmanridesthesybian]

Come on now....

What are your point totals?

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Read the whole thread, that guys scouting report came from an actual game he was at. 9/25 on the draw is horrible, at least that guy goes and watches games to form his opinion on players and isnt a stat watcher. Sure, Dellandrea is actually usually pretty good on the draw but at least this poster has went and saw him actually play

I can't trust anything that he says, for all I know he is blind or was watching a beautiful women at those games because his comments do not equal what the stats say.

1+1 = 2

He is 58% on the dot and has 8 minor penalties in 27 games.. so his "viewings" and "opinion" are useless because the stats completely destroy them.

"I was at the Pittsburgh game last week for an in person viewing, Sidney Crosby is easily the worst player in the NHL." If someone said that I am supposed to believe it because he put in the effort to go watch the game in person for a live viewing?

 

[newfy]

I can't trust anything that he says, for all I know he is blind or was watching a beautiful women at those games because his comments do not equal what the stats say.

1+1 = 2

He is 58% on the dot and has 8 minor penalties in 27 games.. so his "viewings" and "opinion" are useless because the stats completely destroy them.

"I was at the Pittsburgh game last week for an in person viewing, Sidney Crosby is easily the worst player in the NHL." If someone said that I am supposed to believe it because he put in the effort to go watch the game in person for a live viewing?

Yeah except the game he was at h went 36% on the draw. I would say the stats show exactly what he said about the game he was at. The stats prove he was horrible on the draw at that game

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Yeah except the game he was at h went 36% on the draw. I would say the stats show exactly what he said about the game he was at. The stats prove he was horrible on the draw at that game

Cool, then don't say "he takes a lot of stupid penalties and has been horrendous at face-offs this year."

Say: "He took a lot of dumb penalties and sucked on the draw AT ONE GAME I WATCHED."

He is trying to correlate between one single game and the entire season.. which doesn't add up as the stats show us.

 

[newfy]

Cool, then don't say "he takes a lot of stupid penalties and has been horrendous at face-offs this year."

Say: "He took a lot of dumb penalties and sucked on the draw AT ONE GAME I WATCHED."

He is trying to correlate between one single game and the entire season.. which doesn't add up as the stats show us.

And in a following post he corrected himself and said he should've said that. Dont need to keep harping on a guy who actually watches a prospect compared to a fan of the prospect who is stat watching. This board needs more posters who actually watch these guys play

 

[cg98]

Yeah except the game he was at h went 36% on the draw. I would say the stats show exactly what he said about the game he was at. The stats prove he was horrible on the draw at that game

One game doesnt mean anything when the stats compiled across all games in the season so far say otherwise. You have nothing valid to present here, you lose.

 

[newfy]

One game doesnt mean anything when the stats compiled across all games in the season so far say otherwise. You have nothing valid to present here, you lose.

Lol yep lets chase away the posters who watch prospects play and then we can all sit on hockeydb and decide which players are the best! We do that and the whole boards loses. All because you cant sit there and accept the fact that a guy watched Dellandrea have a shit game and hes not a perfect prospect.

Whatever, we'll have a big Dellandrea circle jerk and pretend he doesnt have bad games. Thatll make this board soooo much better

 

[cg98]

Lol yep lets chase away the posters who watch prospects play and then we can all sit on hockeydb and decide which players are the best! We do that and the whole boards loses. All because you cant sit there and accept the fact that a guy watched Dellandrea have a **** game and hes not a perfect prospect.

Whatever, we'll have a big Dellandrea circle jerk and pretend he doesnt have bad games. Thatll make this board soooo much better

You cant seem to accept that the facts and statistics over the entire season stack up against you one game doesnt define a prospect. Using that idiotic logic judging on Chabots last game against Montreal id say hes the worst defensemen in the league! See how stupid that sounds? Ill hold your L.

 

[newfy]

You cant seem to accept that the facts and statistics over the entire season stack up against you one game doesnt define a prospect. Using that idiotic logic judging on Chabots last game against Montreal id say hes the worst defensemen in the league! See how stupid that sounds? Ill hold your L.

Read my posts:

a) Ive never once said Dellandrea was bad on draws
b) Ive never said a single game defines a prospect.

Youre too busy getting worked up about Dellandrea having a bad game to actually read what I've said. Nothing stacks up against me.

What I'm saying is that guys opinion is still valid from that one game. Dellandrea took bad penalties and was bad on the draw. People who watchthe games are valuable on this board and youre all butt hurt that hes saying how bad Dellandrea was in that game. Youre right over the course of the season he hasnt been bad but in that game he was. Using that logic about Chabot you would say he isnt a perfect player and had a bad game against Montreal. That guy back tracked and said he should've said he thought this from the game he watched, he should've done it from the get go but that doesnt mean you have to come on here and basically chase people away who actually watch the games.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Lol yep lets chase away the posters who watch prospects play and then we can all sit on hockeydb and decide which players are the best! We do that and the whole boards loses. All because you cant sit there and accept the fact that a guy watched Dellandrea have a **** game and hes not a perfect prospect.

Whatever, we'll have a big Dellandrea circle jerk and pretend he doesnt have bad games. Thatll make this board soooo much better

Yea why use statistics to completely demolish a guys point, let's just let them spew bullshit.

Like I said, Crosby is the worst player in the NHL I've seen it with my own eyes. Take my comment as 100% truth since I saw it in the game live, not on HockeyDB.

 

[InSuL1nImP]

Blame the edibles boys. That's why I had to go back and correct my post.

 

[newfy]

Yea why use statistics to completely demolish a guys point, let's just let them spew bull****.

Like I said, Crosby is the worst player in the NHL I've seen it with my own eyes. Take my comment as 100% truth since I saw it in the game live, not on HockeyDB.

Stats prove that he was right about that game though, are you that dense? Is 30 something percent on faceoffs good?

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Stats prove that he was right about that game though, are you that dense? Is 30 something percent on faceoffs good?

Can you not read his post, are you that dense?

We are arguing back and forth over nothing.


58% on the faceoff dot.

8 minor penalties.

have a good one im arguing with a wall.

 

[Sens With Benefits]

Any chance Bernard Docker makes it?

 

[KingTux]

Who do you expect to be captian? Will Bouchard have a chance?

I could see Comptois being named captain

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Any chance Bernard Docker makes it?

He is fighting for the 7th D spot. Wouldn't be shocked but I wouldn't say it is likely.

 

[Hockey Stick]

He plays on arguably the worst team in the CHL and is over a PPG while winning over 50% on the dot and only having 26 pims in total. You dont know what the hell youre talking about.

Not even arguably the worst... they're dogsh#t

 

[biturbo19]

I'm a Detroit guy so I like seeing people project Veleno in the top-9, but why do you think Frost will be the extra and not a regular in the lineup? Admittedly, I haven't seen him play live, just know that he was second in the O in scoring last year and Philly fans think he's better than everyone else does. I know the Soo was great last year which probably inflated his numbers, but still, I figured he would be a top-six guy on this team.

I think ultimately if that's the group they took, configured like i had it...Frost probably works his way into the Top-9 somewhere before the end of the tournament anyway. I like having a skilled and versatile plugin guy like that in reserve rather than a "specialist" for just that reason. Whether it's injuries, bonehead penalty problems, or just some impossible to foresee chemistry mismatch...it seems like there always ends up being a need for somebody to plug in up the lineup before it's all said and done.

As for penciling Veleno in over Frost to the "starting 12"...i like his size and potential for 2-way contribution a bit better right now. Veleno has the potential to be a more likely contributor to special teams on the PK, where i hate when they've tried to make a "13th Forward" a special teams specialist off the bench. That doesn't work, so i'd prefer to see Veleno in the Top-9/12 and really in the game. It's also pretty impossible to ignore the sort of roll Veleno is on in the Q right now. That kind of hot streak is something i'd at least take a shot at extending on into the tournament. Especially when it sometimes takes Team Canada a little while to gel and really get rolling. A little early jolt from a guy like Veleno riding a hot streak and feeling the confidence would be welcome.