Can we just accept hockey for what it is instead of trying to change every damn thing constantly?

[OppositeLocK]

1) Copying 15 posts doesn't help

2) This started with talking about inserting politics into game presentation. You pivoted it to questioning the actual social reform issues themselves, which is just pure politics and has nothing to do with the NHL.

Typical leftist logic. There's no such thing as "actual social reform". It's all politics.

Anyway, but please carry on with rebranding language, meaning, and life itself. This is all going to have a spectacularly stupid ending.

 

[HBK27]

Why should an influential platform not be used for positive change?

There are millions of "influential platforms" out there that that could be used for "positive change" - doesn't mean we should bombard each and every one of them with whatever "positive" messaging, which will just have less and less of an impact the more people hear it and eventually have the opposite intended impact if you constantly badger people with it.

Athletes already have immense access to people and can do a lot on their own to impact change - between the millions of social media followers or access to a ton of media and resources to help make a change. Not to mention that the most impactful change occurs when people actually get out there and do the work versus just getting out a message or raising "awareness" which requires little to no effort.

It's also highly debatable/subjective as to whether or not any "positive change" is actually occurring for many of these instances. I'm sure there are many positives to the Black Lives Matter movement, but there's also a fair amount of anti-police sentiment attached to it that can certainly be argued is one of the key drivers behind the massive spikes in crime and murder rates across many major cities.

And honestly, it's just not healthy for politics and social justice issues to be intertwined into every part of society. People don't need to be reminded and thinking about that constantly. It's OK to be able to get away from society's problems or your own life's problems for a few hours and just be distracted/entertained by a game or a movie and not have someone telling you how unjust/unfair things are and getting everyone all riled up. People invest a lot of time and money into professional sports and most don't want to be lectured but just want to enjoy the game.

 

[OppositeLocK]

There are millions of "influential platforms" out there that that could be used for "positive change" - doesn't mean we should bombard each and every one of them with whatever "positive" messaging, which will just have less and less of an impact the more people hear it and eventually have the opposite impact if you constantly badger people with it.

Athletes already have immense access to people and can do a lot on their own to impact change - between the millions on social media followers or access to a ton of media an resources to help make a change. Not to mention that the most impactful change occurs when people actually get out there and do the work versus just getting out a message or raising "awareness" which requires little to no effort.

It's also highly debatable/subjective as to whether or not any "positive change" is actually occurring for many of these instances. I'm sure there are many positives to the Black Lives Matter movement, but there's also a fair amount of anti-police sentiment attached to it that can certainly be argued is one of the key drivers behind the massive spikes in crime and murder rates across many major cities.

And honestly, it's just not healthy for politics and social justice issues to be intertwined into every part of society. People don't need to be reminded and thinking about that constantly. It's OK to be able to get away from society's problems or your own life's problems for a few hours and just be distracted/entertained by a game or a movie and not have someone telling you how unjust/unfair things are and getting everyone all riled up. People invest a lot of time and money into professional sports and most don't want to be lectured but just want to enjoy the game.

Me: well this is some major BS happening in the world right now, I'm just gonna go away and enjoy some old fashioned hockey.

Hockey:

 

[tarheelhockey]

False.

Policy is not just politics... League policy, School policy, etc. Your lack of reading comprehension isn't my problem. The NHL, like many other leagues, are bending the knee to activism. It absolutely has to do with the topic of changes in hockey. Just look at NHL.com.

My reading comprehension is fine. You pivoted the conversation from the NHL's treatment of activist issues, to questioning the activists themselves and talking about general police/race issues.

The posts are right there for everyone to see.

 

[OppositeLocK]

My reading comprehension is fine. You pivoted the conversation from the NHL's treatment of activist issues, to questioning the activists themselves and talking about general police/race issues.

The posts are right there for everyone to see.

I'm laughing at the thought that one day you're going to be on the outside looking in on all of this.

"Activism is okay as long as it's the activism I want. Everyone else is a bigot".

 

[tarheelhockey]

Typical leftist logic. There's no such thing as "actual social reform". It's all politics.

Anyway, but please carry on with rebranding language, meaning, and life itself. This is all going to have a spectacularly stupid ending.

Speaking of language, please take a moment to re-read that sentence and correctly identify the noun being modified by "actual".

 

[CashMash]

My reading comprehension is fine. You pivoted the conversation from the NHL's treatment of activist issues, to questioning the activists themselves and talking about general police/race issues.

The posts are right there for everyone to see.

When did I bring up the police?

I asked *woke policy* helps ease racial tension. That is a general question. The state of the world part is very much up for interpretation. YOU interpreted that as me meaning the police. I don't live in the States. Woke activism is everywhere and Critical Theory is everywhere. It was a general statement.

The NHL is paying lip service to BLM and "#hockeyforall" like many other leagues.

 

[tarheelhockey]

When did I bring up the police?

I asked *woke policy* helps ease racial tension. That is a general question. The state of the world part is very much up for interpretation. YOU interpreted that as me meaning the police. I don't live in the States. Woke activism is everywhere and Critical Theory is everywhere. It was a general statement.

The NHL is paying lip service to BLM and "#hockeyforall" like many other leagues.

So hopefully having written that, you can make the distinction between "should the NHL be involved in social reform issues?" and "do woke policies seem to have eased racial tensions at all?".

One of these is about the NHL, the other is not.

 

[OppositeLocK]

Speaking of language, please take a moment to re-read that sentence and correctly identify the noun being modified by "actual".

Questioning the idea itself or the basis for the idea is one and the same.

 

[HBK27]

So hopefully having written that, you can make the distinction between "should the NHL be involved in social reform issues?" and "do woke policies seem to have eased racial tensions at all?".

One of these is about the NHL, the other is not.

At least the answer to both questions is the same.

 

[CashMash]

So hopefully having written that, you can make the distinction between "should the NHL be involved in social reform issues?" and "do woke policies seem to have eased racial tensions at all?".

One of these is about the NHL, the other is not.

Wrong again.

In what context was the latter said? The NHL also bends to woke policy by bringing their activism into the game. Therefore, I asked, does them doing that ease racial tensions? It is about the NHL. You are completely wrong and keep telling me how to interpret my own posts.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Wrong again.

In what context was the latter said? The NHL also bends to woke policy by bringing their activism into the game. Therefore, I asked, does them doing that ease racial tensions? It is about the NHL. You are completely wrong and keep telling me how to interpret my own posts.

Well the thread is good and ****ed now, so I guess it's academic which of us has the last word on this.

Thank goodness we took the time to get politics out of hockey today.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

The NHL is paying lip service to BLM and "#hockeyforall" like many other leagues.

So? Does this upset you?

 

[nturn06]

Then just take hitting out of the game altogether so guys can just figure skate.

Players are now passing up prime hitting opportunities because they don't want to be penalized.

To me this was peak hockey, where you needed to have everything to succeed. Skill alone wasn't enough to get you far.



We've traded North American style hockey for European.

You complain about changes to the game, yet somehow you do not see any issue in the fact that hitting started as a way of separating the player from the puck and in the 90 it "evolved" into trying to send the guy to the hospital. Hitting simply evolved into charging, headhunting and my favourite "finishing the check" (i.e. bodychecking someone 2-3 seconds after they get rid of the puck).

I do enjoy a nice clean hit, but those are rare nowadays. Many, if not most, hits are borderline charging/headhunting/late, and throwing a hit is not a hockey play anymore, most of the times it is a way of trying to injure the other guy...

I get that some people like this stuff, but I find the hits targetting the head terrible. I simply do not find people trying to scrable their brains appealing, it is not my style. I do enjoy a clean game, where the players can use their skill, much more than the 90's style hockey.

At the end of the day, some fans like to watch the NHL for skill, some other love to see blood, I get it. No matter what NHL does, they can only please some of us... The simple fact that you enjoy certain things about the 90's hockey does not mean that everyone has to enjoy them, and those are best things for NHL.

 

[CashMash]

So? Does this upset you?

The former more than the latter, I would say. BLM are self-avowed Marxists, and anyone living in the Eastern block can tell you those ideas are no good.

Ultimately, the NHL is made up of millionaires and billionaires who don't actually care about the causes they pick up... They just want to look good like every company during pride month. They'll have that rainbow flag up there, but you bet your ass that if they had an NHL Middle East account, that would be nowhere to be seen. Ever wonder why that is?

The NBA's similar messaging has done them no favors either, and the player who voiced opposition to the lack of patriotism kneeling implies had his merch sold in record numbers. This activism ain't coming from the bottom up.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

You complain about changes to the game, yet somehow you do not see any issue in the fact that hitting started as a way of separating the player from the puck and in the 90 it "evolved" into trying to send the guy to the hospital. Hitting simply evolved into charging, headhunting and my favourite "finishing the check" (i.e. bodychecking someone 2-3 seconds after they get rid of the puck).

Emotionally, this is one of the drivers of the film "Slapshot": a beautiful game ruined by thuggery, justified with old cliches harkening back to the good ol' days which never actually existed ("like Eddie Shore"). Capped with this joke:

[In the middle of endless violence Michael Ontkean's character starts stripping. In a rage the bloodied captain of the opposing team approaches the ref]

"STOP THIS!!! This is a SERIOUS game, not a FREAKSHOW!!"
"A serious game?! What are you talking about, this is HOCKEY!"

An elegant way to get people so wrapped up in the bubble of "hockey culture" to see how outsiders viewed how pointless and ridiculous they were making hockey.

 

[CashMash]

"This discussion has nothing to do with the NHL"

 

[Neil Patrick Harris]

Y'know, I watched a lot of hockey this season, and I don't recall being forced to listen to any leftist agenda.

I wonder how many of the people decrying the mixing of politics and sports also think that moments like the Summit Series and the Miracle on Ice are iconic.

"This discussion has nothing to do with the NHL"

Were you chained to your desk and forced to read that leftist agenda?

 

[amnesiac]

I can't imagine a sport that's constantly been changing as much as hockey has. Seems like every year people call for some form of change. Baseball isn't like this, and I don't think many sports are in general.

Let's take out predatory hits, let's take out fighting, let's take out headshots, let's bring in coach's challenges, let's start penalizing for bad coach's challenges, let's change how buyouts work, let's change how the cap is counted because Tampa is taking advantage, let's make the salary cap count on after tax income, let's make the ice bigger, let's change how powerplays work, let's change...

I grew up watching hockey in the 90s. Maybe it's nostalgia, but I found hockey much more enjoyable before we started trying to change every aspect about it. I remember all the concerned people complaining how hockey is too rough. Okay, so is the UFC, you don't have to watch it or partake in it. So we changed it and now gone are the series full of the small battles. Like Adam Foote chasing certain players whenever they were on the ice. Or when Detroit had the Maltby, McCarty, Draper line that would actually grind opponents down.

I don't know about others, I still like hockey but don't enjoy it nearly as much as I did before. It has gradually been becoming less interesting to me. Whereas I used to be a die-hard NHL fan before, now I am only a casual fan.

I think through the whole "grow the game" concept is BS and has done nothing but alienate the hardcore fans. Whereas something like UFC has grown by sticking to its roots.

because youre older and got too used to it. Like most things in life (music, new technology, etc).

As for "Let's take out predatory hits, let's take out fighting, let's take out headshots".... I mean thats players' health. If you have a problem that, then thats just being selfish, ie you like seeing players get injured for your own sick pleasure.

 

[CashMash]

Y'know, I watched a lot of hockey this season, and I don't recall being forced to listen to any leftist agenda.

I wonder how many of the people decrying the mixing of politics and sports also think that moments like the Summit Series and the Miracle on Ice are iconic.

Were you chained to your desk and forced to read that leftist agenda?

Wrong question.

The right one is––do I want to support a company that supports that agenda?

Like I said, the activism isn't coming from the bottom up. It's coming from activist disciplines at universities. Care about growing the sport? Cut that shit out.

 

[Neil Patrick Harris]

Wrong question.

The right one is––do I want to support a company that supports that agenda?

Like I said, the activism isn't coming from the bottom up. It's coming from activist disciplines at universities. Care about growing the sport? Cut that shit out.

And what, in your words, is the specific agenda that those Tweets are putting forward?

 

[CashMash]

And what, in your words, is the specific agenda that those Tweets are putting forward?

Ever heard of "Repressive Tolerance" by Critical Theorist Herbert Marcuse? Asymmetry.

When BLM riots, those are "mostly peaceful protests" and the media excuses it, when the opposite side riots, that is an "insurrection". How many lives were lost and dollars were damaged? Protests were even encouraged at the height of covid, and delusional people said that those gatherings did not increase covid rates. What is the reaction when a white person is wrongfully killed by the police? Is it equal? What has defunding the police actually done? Isn't violent crime up 50% in places in California that have done that?

That is the agenda.

The whole situation that those tweets are a reaction to is overblown when you consider statistics. The NHL is parroting activist talking points because they want to look good.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

What is the reaction when a white person is wrongfully killed by the police?

You might not want to hear about it, but BLM doesn't like it when cops kill white people, either.


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[Finlandia WOAT]

The former more than the latter, I would say. BLM are self-avowed Marxists.

Let's assume this is true: why is that a problem?

Ultimately, the NHL is made up of millionaires and billionaires who don't actually care about the causes they pick up... They just want to look good like every company during pride month. They'll have that rainbow flag up there, but you bet your ass that if they had an NHL Middle East account, that would be nowhere to be seen. Ever wonder why that is?

So?

anyone living in the Eastern block can tell you those ideas are no good.

Do you always just accept what anyone tells you?

When BLM riots, those are "mostly peaceful protests" and the media excuses it, when the opposite side riots, that is an "insurrection".

Yes. The worst thing about the January 6th insurrection was supposed media hypocrisy.