SoundandFury may not have presented his argument in the friendliest tone, but he is absolutely correct. The idea that Swedish attendance isn't good? It's not even that far below KHL attendance. So is KHL attendance attrocious?
The SEL currently misses some big market teams. It's attendance totals till list within the European elite.
We all know Vorky is a KHL/Russian centric poster who often can't use common sense and logic and who often suffers bout of romanticism and dreams when it comes to the KHL, it's capabilities and some of the expasion plans/it's economics, but even i assumed he wasn't this far out of reality.
try to discuss on topic, not insult posters
Maybe not in Sweden though, as I've heard they have a good TV deal and in general people there can spend money.
I replied "they can, but dont. Attendance is awful."
Yes, attendance this season is awful compared to last one. I dont care which team was promoted/relegated. In general, attendance decreased. That is important for sponsors, tv deals etc.
12/13 RS
KHL
- 11 teams had attendance above 90% of arena´s capacity (42% of clubs)
SEL
- 2 teams had attendance above 90% of arena´s capacity (17%of clubs)
Can you see a difference? Swedes dont care about hockey? Arenas are too big compared to inhabitants of city?
I replied to this
in general people there can spend money. and I see it like something that Swedes can spend money by visiting games (tickets, etc). I would agree, Sweden is nice and "healthy" country/society. Club needs money, can not incerease prizde of tickets (look at attendance at WC last year). So only solution is to build new arena above 10 000. More fans=more money. I know, there are small cities, that is not my problem but Elitserien´s. One would say, there is not potential for grow. We have growing potential in KHL, majority of cities are big.. so we can hope for more income in future. In Elitserien it is impossible as you wrote. Or there is any chance to build new big arenas? All my Qs are legitimate, just some posters dont get it.
You know, I can not understand one thing. KHL has been trying do develop itself, to build new modern and big arenas, to make better tv coverage, to sell tv rights to as many coutries as possible, promote itself in new markets. Elitserien was best league in Europe before KHL era, IMO. Unfortunatelly we had NO info in slovak/czech media, we had no games in tv from SEL. Why? Btw, we still dont have it. That is the biggest/best euro league?
European Trophy - which is project of Swedes - very limited info (de facto only results) in slovak/czech media. We have in television only games of Slovan and czech clubs, no other games (we can watch KHL games of other teams than Slovan/Lev btw). Fans and media dont care. You to know, we have 3-5 articles per day about KHL/Slovan in ALL media, even Satan was a host in most influential POLITICAL discussion on tv (I dont like it, but it is fact). That time it was not about politics of course.
This thread is about profit, we discuss if it is possible to have it in Europe, particular in KHL. You dont have profit if you dont sell tv right to abroad, if media dont care, if attendance is decreasing, if no big arena are projected/built. I asked about SEL, it is legitimate Q in this thread. If you dont like it, dont visit this thread called
Can KHL ever become profitable?Does the league even want to become profitable?