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Doesn't seem like any time soon, at least not in this org. Things can change but both Varlamov and Berra are signed long term.
 

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Aittokallio and Pickard have played 4 games(2 starts combined) with the Avs and neither one has a win yet. So far they are not at the NHL quality yet. Seems like Pickard is on the cusp though so that's good. No idea where Aittokallio is at considering his camp and the fact he didn't go to Switzerland to work with Allaire.
 

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Eh. Pickard made a lot of great second saves, and showed good positioning with the confidence to face a lot of rubber and keep fighting, but his rebound control still needs a lot of work that'll take time. He made a lot more saves than he needed to and a lot of them were tough saves to make that you don't want your goalie having to make regularly. If allaire gets that part of his game worked out the kid will be a plus backup and possible starter somewhere if he keeps working hard with allaire.

Once Varly and Berra are back he'll get that time and in a few years we should have another really good backup or two on our hands between Picks, Will, Aitto and Martin. This club sure has given allaire a lot of young skill to mold. If we can keep the key pieces together this organization is pretty awesomely positioned all over the place. Just gotta get that EJ partner like Sekera/Erhoff to hold the fort for us there and keep stocking that cupboard effectively.
 
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Tommy Shelby

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Besides that first game where he was jittery and had a couple bad bounces go in on him, I think he's been pretty solid considering the team that's in front of him.

Anyone trying to blame him for our losses, well, they're really just looking for a scapegoat to point their frustrations at is all.

The real reason we've lost so many is sub-par D, terrible judgement with the puck and a lackluster effort from a lot of our forwards.
 

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I'm not blaming him at all, but his rebound control is still miles away from NHL-caliber. Which is fine, kid's 22 and we have Varly and Berra in front of him so he doesn't need to be the finished product yet. Plus he showed a lot of good things other than those rebounds he kept feeding to the habs.
 

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Besides that first game where he was jittery and had a couple bad bounces go in on him, I think he's been pretty solid considering the team that's in front of him.

Anyone trying to blame him for our losses, well, they're really just looking for a scapegoat to point their frustrations at is all.

The real reason we've lost so many is sub-par D, terrible judgement with the puck and a lackluster effort from a lot of our forwards.

That first game he was directly responsible for 3 goals, regardless of the rest of the play on the ice. He had 1 bad bounce go in on him, the 1st goal. The second goal, the bad bounce was 100% his fault. It hit him right in the glove and he just didnt catch it. You dont blame the pitcher for allowing a hit when a fielder drops the ball. You dont blame a QB for an incomplete pass when the pass hits the receiver in the hands. That was 100% on him. Then he just straight missed the 3rd goal, which is a very routine save. Again, that goal was on him. And he allowed the 4th to be slid right under him on a straight ahead drive (its not like he was going from post to post and opened the 5 hole while trying a crazy save). A goalie should never allow a goal to slide 5hole like that. Thats a goalies mess up every single time.

And those goals were the difference in the game. so he is definitely to blame for that one game. Certainly not for the season though or the play of anyone else. But anyone not blaming him for that one loss, well, they're just looking for any excuse to scream regression or further their doom and gloom view point.

He was great the next game though. Cant really blame him for any of those goals, except MAYBE the Subban bomb. It looked like he was still fading to his right a tad.
 

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It's more about the team knowing the situation and picking him up. They know they were not going to get NHL quality goaltending that first game especially the way he came in. They had to support him with more than 2 goals, that's on them.
 

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They got 3 in that first game. Ott should not have even had 2.

Not if we had a reliable NHL goalie in net. But we didn't, we had a 22 year old facing his first nhl team. Yeah Pickard needs to play like a reliable NHL goalie if he wants an NHL gig this year, but the team also needs to play like they have a first time 22 year old who didn't even expect to play in that game and bury their chances. That was the kind of game where we needed to be clinical because it was unreasonable to expect good goaltending, and the team as a whole failed to deliver, both Pickard, and the guys in front of him.
 

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Besides that first game where he was jittery and had a couple bad bounces go in on him, I think he's been pretty solid considering the team that's in front of him.

Anyone trying to blame him for our losses, well, they're really just looking for a scapegoat to point their frustrations at is all.

The real reason we've lost so many is sub-par D, terrible judgement with the puck and a lackluster effort from a lot of our forwards.

Against Montreal, sure. He played well there and certainly wasn't the reason we lost.


Ottawa? He absolutely was the reason we lost. 3 very soft goals that any other NHL level goalie would have stopped, he let it.


Now, that's not to say it was entirely his fault either. He was put in a bad situation from the get go in Ottawa having to play after flying from a different country earlier that day. But that doesn't change the fact that they were soft goals, that made the hockey game a 4-3 loss instead of a 3-1 or 3-2 win.


He looked good against Montreal though, so that's a plus. Not NHL level yet, but this will be a good taste for him to find out what the NHL game is like and where he needs to improve.

Rebound control is a big one for him.
 

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Not if we had a reliable NHL goalie in net. But we didn't, we had a 22 year old facing his first nhl team. Yeah Pickard needs to play like a reliable NHL goalie if he wants an NHL gig this year, but the team also needs to play like they have a first time 22 year old who didn't even expect to play in that game and bury their chances. That was the kind of game where we needed to be clinical because it was unreasonable to expect good goaltending, and the team as a whole failed to deliver, both Pickard, and the guys in front of him.

So knowing we had a first time 22 year old that means we should have scored 5 goals? Nope. Those expectations are not realistic, especially when our offense has been sloppy with very little chemistry. If it was so easy to make your chances then hockey would not average 2 to 3 goals per team. Even bad teams get more chances than that per game.
 

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So knowing we had a first time 22 year old that means we should have scored 5 goals? Nope. Those expectations are not realistic, especially when our offense has been sloppy with very little chemistry. If it was so easy to make your chances then hockey would not average 2 to 3 goals per team. Even bad teams get more chances than that per game.

Sure the average is under 3 a game, but this is hockey, not football, some team is scoring 4 or more almost every night, and when your team knows they're going to give up some softies they have to be clinical and make sure that that night is one of those above-average goalscoring games. The offense stepping up and taking their chances in games where they aren't getting much assistance on the backend is what a good team does to keep rolling through adversity. We didn't, even though the chances were there, and things like that and some sloppy defending are why we didn't steal wins from the Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal games. Having 4 wins at this point despite our struggles could've been in the cards, we just didn't get it done. But they're still young and will hopefully learn from this.
 

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We scored more goals than we had all year. We had longer Time of possession 5 on 5. We gave up less shots than we had all year (tie), and that was with a whole lot of PK time. We had more shots than we did all year (up till that game). How did we not step up? We scored literally 50% more than we had in any other game. That has been the only game where we were the better team on the ice.
 

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Goalie development is weird. You could write off a guy like Pickard, only to have him make the NHL as a starter at age 30 with some other club. I don't think he or Aitto are ever likely to get their chance here though as I don't forsee us retaining them for the next 3 years (until Berra's contract is up and they are actually experienced and ready enough to take the next step). Just a hunch that Roy/Allaire regime will prefer Martin/Will.
 

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We did fail to win (no need to be a smart aleck), because a brand new goalie who was put into a terrible situation (arriving when he did for the game, not the players in front of him) let too many soft goals go in.
 

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Goalie development is weird. You could write off a guy like Pickard, only to have him make the NHL as a starter at age 30 with some other club. I don't think he or Aitto are ever likely to get their chance here though as I don't forsee us retaining them for the next 3 years (until Berra's contract is up and they are actually experienced and ready enough to take the next step). Just a hunch that Roy/Allaire regime will prefer Martin/Will.

I was thinking of this too, what are they going to do next year. Will and Martin are signed, Pickard and Aittokallio's contracts are up. I can't imagine they want to dump both and reset the clock again on two even younger goalies but maybe choose one and have them be a proper starter, Will can backup and Martin would start in the ECHL.
 

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