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A mere 37 hours of continued angst and speculation to go...
Rumors Det wants to trade #6 for #10 + #40 with Van. Not sure I would unless I feel I can still get one of my targets @10A mere 37 hours of continued angst and speculation to go...
Rumors Det wants to trade #6 for #10 + #40 with Van. Not sure I would unless I feel I can still get one of my targets @10
Quick Hits: The Trading Back EditionWho or what is your source on the complete deal? I know the rough idea of 10+40 has been discussed on HF, but I haven't seen anything that would indicate that is the deal we are seeking. Just curious if you've seen something that I haven't.
Rumors Det wants to trade #6 for #10 + #40 with Van. Not sure I would unless I feel I can still get one of my targets @10
J.D.Burke was on TSN 1040 and actually stated that the Red Wings initiated talks with Vancouver.Rumor is that Vancouver wants 6, not that Detroit wants to trade it.
I know you'll jump on me for correcting you, but this is a huge difference. Vancouver wants to move up and the 6OA is in their sights. Detroit would move down if the trade made sense.
You're right that is the rumor. I worded it incorrectly and yes that is a huge difference.Rumor is that Vancouver wants 6, not that Detroit wants to trade it.
I know you'll jump on me for correcting you, but this is a huge difference. Vancouver wants to move up and the 6OA is in their sights. Detroit would move down if the trade made sense.
Oh really? So I was right?J.D.Burke was on TSN 1040 and actually stated that the Red Wings initiated talks with Vancouver.
Rumor is that Vancouver wants 6, not that Detroit wants to trade it.
I know you'll jump on me for correcting you, but this is a huge difference. Vancouver wants to move up and the 6OA is in their sights. Detroit would move down if the trade made sense.
Yes, he mentioned that Detroit doesn't like the value at 6 and they feel like they can get a defenseman that they like at 10 while getting another asset (likely 40OA+) for free essentially.Oh really? So I was right?
Oh really? So I was right?
Yeah. According to Burke we like Moritz Seider a lot but think he's too big of a reach at 6 so we're considering moving back to get an extra asset... Personally I'd rather 1.try moving up for Byram or 2. Taking Zegras, Dach or whoever at 6 and then moving back into the mid-late first for a defenseman. But because Seider is German I've barely seen him so maybe I underrate him. The consensus seems to be he's a 15-20 pick so even 10 is early. The NHL scouts may think differently I guessOh really? So I was right?
A mere 37 hours of continued angst and speculation to go...
Well, I'm wrong. I don't agree with that idea for the Wings, but if they took it to the table, it must be the rumor.
If they're moving back to 10, I'd want more than 40. I'd want like a Virtanen or something like that. I want someone with more oomph as a prospect than hoping someone falls to a second round pick. That's probably too much for that drop, but I'd rather just take the guy we want at 6, unless it is part of a more massive trade swing that gets us another later first or something.
If we go back to 10 and then just use 35,40, 54, and 60 for ourselves... I'd be very very disappointed.
Guess this is just Yzerman doing all of his due diligence. Not just kicking tires, but getting a plan set up if they don't like the way the board falls.
Wings must not think too favorably on Dach, Cozens, Zegras, etc. being centers if this moving back is a very serious discussion and not just base covering.
I think it's this.
More than this.
What would you consider the worst case scenario of the board falling that would prompt you to want to move back?
Obviously it's weird for me wanting Krebs, but if I'm looking at this based on the consensus or rough idea of consensus, having Byram, Turcotte, and Dach off the board would be the point where I think the team would want to pull the trigger. I just wonder who the hell would want to move up with those three off the board. Broberg and Zegras are the only players I could see people actually moving up for, and I question how much teams would want to do that from the 8-10 range.
I think it's this.
More than this.
I assume for Detroit, the worst top 5 possible would be: Hughes, Kakko, Turcotte, Byram, Dach
Personally I have Cozens ranked #5, so I would just sit there and take him at #6. If the top 5 does go as listed above, I could see them thinking a bunch of guys are equal and moving back to get an asset. But at the same time, if those guys I listed go top 5, I struggle to see who someone would want to move up for. I've recently heard Caufield might slide out of the top 10. Maybe if a team loves Zegras, we have seen some comments from scouts that people think his ceiling is super high.
I really don't know. Trying not too put too much stock into 1 rumor from a person I didn't know existed a week ago (no disrespect, eliteprospects.com does have good stuff)
It makes you question who his source is. His retraction and pivot to the Red Wings being the active search party does feel like whoever the source is doesn't really have a good pulse of the situation.
Caufield deserves to fall out of the top 10. Not because of him personally, but the hype train has just gotten ridiculous. He went from being a mid-late first, to having an exceptional U18 WJC, to people saying "Caufield an option at #3?!?" The jump he made was ridiculous. Talk about one tournament making too much of an impact.