garnetpalmetto
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The amazing thing is that there are people out there who think that would be a good thing (Mo returning, not you leaving)
So here's my fear - this generation of players has largely not done well as GMs. Yzerman might be up for debate, but Nieuwendyk was an unmitigated failure. Beyond that, in the past Ronnie has expressed no interest in being the GM - if y'all recall that's why he first went from being an assistant GM to an assistant coach. Who's to say that his interest in becoming a GM has increased since then, especially if he knows the ship needs to be righted after Rutherford peaces out? So that's a couple potential worries I have about Francis.
bleedgreen
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I don't want Francis, and he's been my hero since I was a kid. I'd accept it if it happened though. I'd want an outside candidate, but I think we all know the chances of that happening.
What the Faulk
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Rutherford is 64. How does his age compare to other GMs around the league? I don't see him ready to retire anytime soon and let's be honest, he isn't being forced out.
djboos22
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I for one did not think he was going to be the future captain of the Jets or any team. He had shown to be a great leader though. Especially with the hustle play he had last night to help tie the game against the Blues.
I would love him on our team.
TheBigKahuna
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I'd rather see Skinner, Lindholm and Tlusty put on a line and kept there for a while. Tlusty is the type of player that on paper, seems like exactly what Skinner and Lindholm need. Sorry, but Ruutu is about as productive as Westgarth right now.
Rutherford seems a LOT older than 64. I would have guessed at least 72.
What the Faulk
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I agree. Skinner really makes that line go. Without him, they're kind of a black hole.
Gerbe // Eric // Semin
Tlusty // Jordan // Ugh
Skinner // Lindholm // Ruutu
Dwyer // Nash // Dvorak
Bowman, Sutter, Westgarth
The lack of a 2nd line RW is pretty glaring though. Dwyer is solid defensively and quick, but he generates nothing. I'm not sure I like anyone else there. I wouldn't mind dangling Rask for help. Look down the middle: where does he fit longterm? And if Gerbe pans out, a big if to be sure, the wings are fairly crowded as well.
It'd have to be a player that made sense financially too. A deal probably won't happen, but it might be something to explore, at the very least.
garnetpalmetto
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Here you go
New Jersey|Lou Lamoriello|71|1987
New York Rangers|Glen Sather|70|2000
Ottawa|Bryan Murray|70|2007
Carolina | Jim Rutherford | 64 | 1994
Nashville|David Poile|63|1998
Florida|Dale Tallon|62|2010
Anaheim|Bob Murray|58|2008
Detroit|Ken Holland|57|1997
Philadelphia|Paul Holmgren|57|2006
San Jose|Doug Wilson|56|2003
Buffalo|Darcy Regier|55|1997
Dallas|Jim Nill|55|2013
Edmonton|Craig MacTavish|55|2013
Los Angeles|Dean Lombardi|55|2006
Phoenix|Don Maloney|55|2007
Washington|George McPhee|55|1997
Vancouver|Mike Gillis|54|2008
Calgary|Jay Feaster|51|2010
Pittsburgh|Ray Shero|51|2006
Boston|Peter Chiarelli|49|2006
St. Louis|Doug Armstrong|49|2010
Montreal|Marc Bergevin|48|2012
Tampa Bay|Steve Yzerman|48|2010
Columbus|Jarmo Kekäläinen|47|2013
Toronto|Dave Nonis|47|2013
Minnesota|Chuck Fletcher|46|2009
New York Islanders|Garth Snow|44|2006
Colorado|Greg Sherman|43|2009
Winnipeg|Kevin Cheveldayoff|43|2011
Chicago|Stan Bowman|40|2009
So he's the 4th oldest GM at his age and is also the second longest tenured. The average NHL GM is about 54 years old, so he's about ten years older than average and the average NHL GM was hired between 2005 and 2006, so he's got roughly 11-12 years on the job compared to the average NHL GM.
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Boyes would have been great; apparently he's on the trade block now.. Raymond would have been PERFECT. I have no idea why we weren't in the running for him..maybe we were.. who knows.
Mueller is an interesting option...he's playing overseas right now, I think.
Bottom line - the Canes HAVE to do something with that second line.. Try Lindholm up there.. DO SOMETHING.
Mueller is an interesting option...he's playing overseas right now, I think.
Bottom line - the Canes HAVE to do something with that second line.. Try Lindholm up there.. DO SOMETHING.
AD Skinner
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I believe Raymond only wanted to play in Canada. I also believe I learned that here on these boards, so it may not be 100% true.
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A second line right wing that is both an excellent playmaker and is excellent defensively is probably this teams biggest need.
The problem is that we are too thin at every position to afford to give anything of consequence.
So a 3rd for Brad Boyes is the most likely answer, sadly.
On the other hand, if, say, Riley Nash can develop into a defensive stalwart, then we can chain him to the ass of the teams most dangerous offensive player and to the hip of Patrick Dwyer. We could finally put Skinner with Jordan and expect great things offensively. So a third line defensive center would also help, if only to spread the defensive responsibility.
The problem is that we are too thin at every position to afford to give anything of consequence.
So a 3rd for Brad Boyes is the most likely answer, sadly.
On the other hand, if, say, Riley Nash can develop into a defensive stalwart, then we can chain him to the ass of the teams most dangerous offensive player and to the hip of Patrick Dwyer. We could finally put Skinner with Jordan and expect great things offensively. So a third line defensive center would also help, if only to spread the defensive responsibility.
Boom Boom Apathy
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I think the teams biggest need is for the star players to start playing like star players. We get so focused on the optimal line mates, but in reality, until the Canes star forwards start playing like they can and should, adding another RW to the mix won't mean much at all.
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Yeah, I thought grabbing Jordan and Semin was supposed to "make Eric happy" and hopefully keep him from starting years slowly.
Instead, we've still got Half-year Eric, but have added two other talented when they feel like it forwards at twice the cost. Yay!
Instead, we've still got Half-year Eric, but have added two other talented when they feel like it forwards at twice the cost. Yay!
TheOllieC
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I'm still down for seeing what Rask can do. Has size and got stronger over the summer. Already built chemistry with Lindholm too.
What the Faulk
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I'm not excusing the lackluster scoring. But what other teams have a player of the caliber of Patrick Dwyer in their top 6?
Finlandia WOAT
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Defensive enough to carry Skinner? Sure.
Defensive enough to handle the best hockey players in the world night in and night out? Not by a long shot.
Boom Boom Apathy
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I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment that it would be good to have an upgrade of Patrick Dwyer in the top 6. I'd like to see that too, I just don't think it's as big of a deal as others do or the team's biggest problem, biggest need as some have stated. As I mentioned earlier, unless the Canes star players start performing, improving on that position and/or mixing up lines won't have that much of an impact on how the team does.
In order to get the kind of player people want on the 2nd line, that player will have to come from either our own farm system (no obvious candidates have stepped up yet), finding someone off the scrap heap (who probably won't be much better), or making a trade. A trade will likely cost a lot in terms of picks and prospects and if our key guys don't start performing, it's a waste to spend the picks/prospects trying to fill that hole.
Honestly, I'd rather start trying some of the guys in the AHL in that slot (or give Ruutu an extended look) and see if any of them can stick rather than making a trade.
SeaBasstian
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Boom Boom Apathy
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Are you only reading a few of the posts when you say "DOOOOM and GLOOOM"? The OP admitted he had a few drinks and was over the top with the initial post. After that, it seems like a lot of rational discussion on the past few pages talking about line-ups, GM, team needs, etc. Hardly gloom and doom.
And it hasn't been goalie play that has been the concern. The Canes have scored 4 goals in their last 3 games. Having Ward and Khodobin back isn't really going to affect that. If the team was playing great, but the goalie was letting them down, I'd agree with your point, but that hasn't been the case.
While I 100% agree the reason for this 3 game skid isn't the goalie and clearly is the scoring, I would also point out that this team seems to play a lot less aggressive with Peters in net, especially the dmen.
