Calder Watch & Predictions

[Columbia]

As an Islanders fan, way to early to put him in Matthews or Eichel territory. Marner sure

Barzal has easily surpassed Marner IMO.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Barzal is the clear winner. Its been obvious for awhile.

Hopefully Boeser doesn't get the shaft in voting now that he's been out and Connor passed him in goals, he should be a solid nominee with how he carried the Canucks offense. He also got the shaft on a few goals not quite getting to 30 but considering missed time it might aswell be considered a 30+ season.

My 3 would be Boeser/Barzal/McAvoy with Connor, Gourde & Dubois just behind. What a great rookie year its been.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

good thing those arent GMs

It is equally a good thing that you have a crystal ball. Tavares is gone, Nico is a lock for the Hall of Fame, after winning 12 Selke's!!

 

[MattMartin]

Hischier is two years younger, hes already better than Barzal so im not worried about that. When Barzal learns how to play defense maybe he can be in Hischiers tier

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

It's pretty amazing to think that you can score 30 in your rookie season and still not even be in the discussion about the Calder. Another stacked rookie group for 2017/2018, just loads of talent coming in from the 2015 draft class.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Barzal is the clear winner. Its been obvious for awhile.

Hopefully Boeser doesn't get the shaft in voting now that he's been out and Connor passed him in goals, he should be a solid nominee with how he carried the Canucks offense. He also got the shaft on a few goals not quite getting to 30 but considering missed time it might aswell be considered a 30+ season.

My 3 would be Boeser/Barzal/McAvoy with Connor, Gourde & Dubois just behind. What a great rookie year its been.

He should be there but won't be. NHL is a "what have you done for me lately" league.

 

[135ace]

As an Islanders fan, way to early to put him in Matthews or Eichel territory. Marner sure

I think Barzal is almost there. He's definitely much, much better than Marner. Hell, I'd easily put Hischier and Keller in the "better than Marner" category as well and they're not at Barzal's level yet.

 

[Wanderson]

If you think i care what others think about my argument youre sadly mistakened. I put my points out there, what you do with them is your own business

We will see who looks more dumb come next year

Stop being jealous.

 

[boredmale]

I think Barzal is almost there. He's definitely much, much better than Marner. Hell, I'd easily put Hischier and Keller in the "better than Marner" category as well and they're not at Barzal's level yet.

For the sake of argument I think Marner did not play int he ideal situation this year(or at least for half a year) to get full value out of him so 69 points(plus whatever he gets in his remaining games) is pretty impressive

 

[135ace]

For the sake of argument I think Marner did not play int he ideal situation this year(or at least for half a year) to get full value out of him so 69 points(plus whatever he gets in his remaining games) is pretty impressive

Sure, but his numbers aren't that impressive, lots of PP points. Barzal is playing against much better opposition. Same with Hischier and Keller. I'd easily take any of them over Marner. If I had to rank them right now it would look like this...
Eichel/Matthews/Barzal (I'd put Barzal here as he's really been incredibly impressive and even though I'd take Eichel or Matthews over him I think he's already in the tier).
Hischier/Keller (I think these guys have the potential to end up in the tier above.
Marner (I don't really see Marner being as good as the guys above him. He'll also always be playing second fiddle to Matthews).
If you want to look at other players from this years rookie crop I think Debrincatt and Connor are also in the Marner tier. PLD has a lot of upside as well, but I wouldn't put him there yet. Boeser on the other hand is someone who I am certain has overachieved. He's very one-dimensional and has many flaws to his game. He's also proven to be very injury prone and with that in mind I wouldn't be surprised if he has a major regression next year.

 

[DatSnipeMatthews]

Barzal has easily surpassed Marner IMO.

Not at all. He is currently ahead but let's see how he does in his sophomore season.

 

[DatSnipeMatthews]

Sure, but his numbers aren't that impressive, lots of PP points. Barzal is playing against much better opposition. Same with Hischier and Keller. I'd easily take any of them over Marner. If I had to rank them right now it would look like this...
Eichel/Matthews/Barzal (I'd put Barzal here as he's really been incredibly impressive and even though I'd take Eichel or Matthews over him I think he's already in the tier).
Hischier/Keller (I think these guys have the potential to end up in the tier above.
Marner (I don't really see Marner being as good as the guys above him. He'll also always be playing second fiddle to Matthews).
If you want to look at other players from this years rookie crop I think Debrincatt and Connor are also in the Marner tier. PLD has a lot of upside as well, but I wouldn't put him there yet. Boeser on the other hand is someone who I am certain has overachieved. He's very one-dimensional and has many flaws to his game. He's also proven to be very injury prone and with that in mind I wouldn't be surprised if he has a major regression next year.

You mention Barzal playing against much tougher competition and then list him alongside Matthews and then conveniently ignore that Matthews playing against CONSIDERABLY better competition this season compared to Barzal.

 

[DRW204]

For the sake of argument I think Marner did not play int he ideal situation this year(or at least for half a year) to get full value out of him so 69 points(plus whatever he gets in his remaining games) is pretty impressive

looks to me he has spent close to 90% of the year with at least 1 30+ goal scorer

Freq	Line Combination
43.3%	BOZAK,TYLER - MARNER,MITCHELL - VAN RIEMSDYK,JAMES
41.7%	KADRI,NAZEM - MARLEAU,PATRICK - MARNER,MITCHELL
5.5%	BOZAK,TYLER - MARNER,MITCHELL - MARTIN,MATT
5.1%	HYMAN,ZACH - MARNER,MITCHELL - NYLANDER,WILLIAM
4.4%	HYMAN,ZACH - MARNER,MITCHELL - MATTHEWS,AUSTON

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[Sidney the Kidney]

I think Marner's being badly underrated in this thread.

 

[Riseonfire]

It's pretty amazing to think that you can score 30 in your rookie season and still not even be in the discussion about the Calder. Another stacked rookie group for 2017/2018, just loads of talent coming in from the 2015 draft class.

I remember when Skinner/Grabner/someone else were vying for the award. Grabs had 32 goals, but was also like 26 lol. Agreed to your point though, a 30 goal scoring rookie won't be a top 3 vote getter. That's unreal.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Barzal is the clear winner. Its been obvious for awhile.

Hopefully Boeser doesn't get the shaft in voting now that he's been out and Connor passed him in goals, he should be a solid nominee with how he carried the Canucks offense. He also got the shaft on a few goals not quite getting to 30 but considering missed time it might aswell be considered a 30+ season.

My 3 would be Boeser/Barzal/McAvoy with Connor, Gourde & Dubois just behind. What a great rookie year its been.

I'm hoping he's still a finalist given how productive he's been playing for a bottom tier team. Boeser would've likely acquired 30 goals if he wasn't so lucky, and the league did their job properly.

Boeser on the other hand is someone who I am certain has overachieved. He's very one-dimensional and has many flaws to his game. He's also proven to be very injury prone and with that in mind I wouldn't be surprised if he has a major regression next year.

Oh look kmzandrew talking out of his ass as usual. Throwing a unnecessarily shot at the player he watched play zero games of all season, and relied on highlights. What else is new?
You think he has overachieved providing zero proof to your basis.
You think he will regress majorly next year without providing zero proof.
You think he's injury prone despite the fact that he was injured from a freak injury, something that can easily happen to Hischier and Butcher.

You think think he's one dimensional, despite the fact that you are hilariously wrong here. Many many users have destroyed you in your bias filled arguments toward a likeable player, and left you with zero credibility. I guess when Boeser proved you wrong many many times, you start a harbor a one sided agenda against the player, because you're butthurt that your assessment of a player was inaccurate, and rather than conceding you pout the same useless inaccurate garbage, hoping someone would actually believe you here.

It's akin to another user stating your boy Hischier is one dimensional, has overachieved, is a product of Hall, and will majorly regress next year.

I'm sure you're going to weasel your way out of this one, since you usually have, like the little rat you are.

I think Marner's being badly underrated in this thread.

He really really isn't. Infact it's the opposite.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

He really really isn't. Infact it's the opposite.

Marner's numbers aren't that far off the players he's apparently not even in a tier with.

This is the problem with HF. People have already decided who the best players are after these kids have been in the league 1 or 2 seasons, and often times base their analysis of these players based on who is hottest *right now*.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Marner's numbers aren't that far off the players he's apparently not even in a tier with.

This is the problem with HF. People have already decided who the best players are after these kids have been in the league 1 or 2 seasons, and often times base their analysis of these players based on who is hottest *right now*.

Marner is essentially in the same tier as guys like Rantanen, Boeser, Keller, Aho.

The problem with HF has always been the "what have you done for me lately", which is how Marner is reeling it in with the favouritism.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

I'm hoping he's still a finalist given how productive he's been playing for a bottom tier team. Boeser would've likely acquired 30 goals if he wasn't so lucky, and the league did their job properly.

So the league should have told him not to make the dumb hit he made on Clutterbuck?
Find it if you have not seen it.

 

[Ace of Hades]

So the league should have told him not to make the dumb hit he made on Clutterbuck?
Find it if you have not seen it.

Obviously you misunderstood the post.

Im clearly talking about the goals he was not given credit for.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

Obviously you misunderstood the post.

Im clearly talking about the goals he was not given credit for.

Sorry.

 

[boredmale]

Barzal wont be hitting 65-70 points.. come on now.

Here is a great blast from the past about Jorge prediction abilities

Note post was made Nov 20th

 

[Ace of Hades]

Sorry.

That's okay.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Barzal going to end up with 85 this year

You were correct. Well done!

 

[SI90]

I’m going to miss this thread.