C Michael Rasmussen - Tri-City Americans, WHL (2017, 9th, DET)

[RedWingzz]

There were players available in the teens and 20's that are equally as promising as Rasmussen, if not more promising.

There is no reason Detroit should have taken him at 9th.

My point isn't that he's a bad player because he's not. My point is he was severely over-drafted.

Way to completely ignore the playoffs, which is by far the most important part of the season. Sure at the time he was picked a few spots too early. 1 year later I am completely happy with the pick. You're acting like the Wings reached for a guy who was ranked in the 40s.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

All 6 CHL forwards drafted in the 1st round, after Rasmussen, had a better season than he did.

Owen Tippett
Gabe Vilardi
Nick Suzuki
Robert Thomas
Kailer Yamamoto
Morgan Frost

This was a bad pick at 9th overall.

Rasmussen had a better total PPG than Tippett, Yamamoto, and Suzuki, and essentially the same as Morgan Frost and Thomas. He also had the best goal scoring numbers, is bigger, and more defensively responsible, than all of them.

Whose game do you think will translate better, the midget winger, or the 6'6 220 defensively responsible center with a better PPG? This is almost as funny as the guy who said Foote was a better prospect at this point and time when less than three months ago Rasmussen dominated a head to head matchup in an easy 4 game sweep.

We'll see next year, anybody could always bust, but your reasoning is weak.

 

[Dotter]

Just watched an interview of Kris Draper and he *implied* Lias Andersson was going to be Detroit's #9 pick in 2017 until Rangers traded up to take him 7th overall. RAM was the 2nd choice on their list.



Draper:
"We had a guy in our sights at #9, we really thought we were going to get him at #9... there was a trade; something happened [...] and we ended up with Michael Rasmussen and love him!"

Only trade was Rangers @ #7. Liam Andersson.

 

[theVladiator]

Not a huge fan of the pick, I did not see passing/vision required of top 2 centre. Wish Wings drafted Vilardi (I am not the only one I am sure) or Liljegren.

But, not a horrible pick. 1 year later, I would only add Necas from next 10 picks as a player I would rather have at that spot. So I guess it could have been worse.

 

[King In The North]

Rasmussen had a better total PPG than Tippett, Yamamoto, and Suzuki, and essentially the same as Morgan Frost and Thomas. He also had the best goal scoring numbers, is bigger, and more defensively responsible, than all of them.

Whose game do you think will translate better, the midget winger, or the 6'6 220 defensively responsible center with a better PPG? This is almost as funny as the guy who said Foote was a better prospect at this point and time when less than three months ago Rasmussen dominated a head to head matchup in an easy 4 game sweep.

We'll see next year, anybody could always bust, but your reasoning is weak.

Better defensively tham Thomas? I don't hate the Ramussen pick but Thomas was excellent on both ends. Perhaps I'm biased, as I wasn't watching them all season though.

 

[Ezekial]

Just watched an interview of Kris Draper and he *implied* Lias Andersson was going to be Detroit's #9 pick in 2017 until Rangers traded up to take him 7th overall. RAM was the 2nd choice on their list.



Draper:
"We had a guy in our sights at #9, we really thought we were going to get him at #9... there was a trade; something happened [...] and we ended up with Michael Rasmussen and love him!"

Only trade was Rangers @ #7. Liam Andersson.

I caught that too, I sent a text to a buddy about it. The wings wanted Lias Andersson at 9

Remember Holland was looking for leadership at last year draft . This year Tkachuk is player like that . This kind of players bring the best during playoff . One thing kind of bother me about him that most of his points he got on PP. It is nice , but I wish he produced more 5 on 5

He had like 24 ES points in 14 playoff games. Better ratio than the season prior in the regular season too.

 

[Claypool]

For a player that apparently sucks there sure are a lot of people that keep coming back to this thread to give their opinion.

We got it. You hate the pick. Please don't come back.

 

[SuperScript29]

Just watched an interview of Kris Draper and he *implied* Lias Andersson was going to be Detroit's #9 pick in 2017 until Rangers traded up to take him 7th overall. RAM was the 2nd choice on their list.



Draper:
"We had a guy in our sights at #9, we really thought we were going to get him at #9... there was a trade; something happened [...] and we ended up with Michael Rasmussen and love him!"

Only trade was Rangers @ #7. Liam Andersson.

Just caught hockeydb.com in the video (0:50 mark), scouts possibly pay attention to stats more than we think lol.

 

[theVladiator]

For a player that apparently sucks there sure are a lot of people that keep coming back to this thread to give their opinion.

We got it. You hate the pick. Please don't come back.

Fan of echo chambers?

 

[Claypool]

Fan of echo chambers?

I'd like to talk about a prospect's development instead of whether or not he was drafted too high or how he comes to Vilardi.

 

[theVladiator]

I'd like to talk about a prospect's development instead of whether or not he was drafted too high or how he comes to Vilardi.

Nice. Any time you are ready, no pressure.

 

[lilidk]

Just watched an interview of Kris Draper and he *implied* Lias Andersson was going to be Detroit's #9 pick in 2017 until Rangers traded up to take him 7th overall. RAM was the 2nd choice on their list.



Draper:
"We had a guy in our sights at #9, we really thought we were going to get him at #9... there was a trade; something happened [...] and we ended up with Michael Rasmussen and love him!"

Only trade was Rangers @ #7. Liam Andersson.

the were so much talks about taking Necas , I guess we should pay no attention on them .

 

[lilidk]

This pick makes me want to kill myself. Fire everybody in that front office. Literally everybody. This team did not need a low skill net front dirty goal guy. This team has no way to get the puck to the front of the net in the first place.

well I guess they try to fix it this year with first 3 drafts

 

[Elias Pettersson]

the were so much talks about taking Necas , I guess we should pay no attention on them .

Necas is a beast. I'd still take him above Rasmussen

 

[LarKing]

Necas is a beast. I'd still take him above Rasmussen

Same but I do think Rasmussen is being heavily underrated by most. I don’t see him far behind Vilardi at all, yet people act like Rasmussen has no chance at being more than a bottom six guy.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

One thing Detroit has going for it is a strong developmental system. Whatever you think of Rasmussen, if there's any potential there, they'll find it and get the most out of the kid.

 

[93LEAFS]

One thing Detroit has going for it is a strong developmental system. Whatever you think of Rasmussen, if there's any potential there, they'll find it and get the most out of the kid.

That development system is living on prior reputation. It is much easier to overripen and slot kids into roles where they can have success when you have elite talent. That isn't the case anymore. The only pick they have hit out of the park in recent years is Larkin.

Most teams have late first rounders who bust, and it is not like Detroit is continually beating the odds though.

Rasmussen could become a high-end player, but I don't think it will be primarily because he landed in a superior development system than comparable prospects.

 

[DDRhockey]

Rasmussen hockey iq is zero

 

[cg98]

Rasmussen hockey iq is zero

You clearly haven't watched him play then.

 

[SimplySolace]

Rasmussen hockey iq is zero

Here comes the Detroit expert with his 5 word hot takes, get 'em while they're hot!

 

[Dotter]

I love how underrated this kid is. Every time I've watched him, he's been a beast. And RAS outplayed Necas last prospect tournament in the games I watched.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

My fellow Red Wings fans are very defensive with regard to this pick; but the reality is that the bulk of criticism is merited. It's true that he doesn't really have the upside that merited a top 10 pick selection, especially with how devoid of talent Detroit's prospect pool was at the time of the selection, especially with several more promising options available. It's also true that he doesn't exactly have the highest hockey IQ, and relies heavily on using his size to bully smaller players on the PP, where a bulk of his production comes from, and that will be much more difficult to accomplish at the NHL level.

This is all true.

However, I think he was one of those players that should be an NHLer regardless. High floor-low ceiling kind of guy. I think the likelihood of Rasmussen being an NHL player is pretty high, and he should, hopefully, wind up a middle 6 forward; whether that's as a center or winger remains to be seen.

The reality is when you're drafting; you are building a team, and based on the projection of Rasmussen and the tools that he does have, he will have an important place on the team. He most likely won't be a star, but a 6'6 middle 6 forward that might function as a net front power play specialist, is a very good niche and important role to fill. If he can resemble something like Tomas Holmstrom, he will find a job in this league for a long time.

So am I annoyed we didn't take Vilardi, Necas, or Liljegren? Sure, yeah; but I won't take it out on Rasmussen. The reality is that Detroit has a few more years of rebuilding to do, and Rasmussen will have a key role in this upcoming core that I look forward to.

 

[newfy]

Tippett : 80 points in 57 games = 1.40 PTS/G
Vilardi: 80 points in 48 games =1.67 PTS/G
Suzuki: 112 points in 75 games: 1.49 PTS/G
Thomas: 107 points in 70 games: 1.52 PTS/G
Yamamoto: 68 points in 47 games: 1.45 PTS/G
Frost: 141 points in 91 games: 1.55 PTS/G

Rasmussen: 92 points in 61 games: 1.51 PTS/G

So Rasmussen had better production than 3 guys on your list, and 0.01-0.04 pts/game less than two of them.

Post-surgery, Rasmussen produced on par or better than Vilardi even.

Not to mention that Thomas finished the season pretty poorly in Hamilton offensively compared to Rasmussen absolutely dominating after he returned from surgery. and like you said, Rasmussen post surgery played about the same amount of games as Vilardi did last season and produced just about the same while being better defensively and a better skater. For some reason that gets overlooked.

My fellow Red Wings fans are very defensive with regard to this pick; but the reality is that the bulk of criticism is merited. It's true that he doesn't really have the upside that merited a top 10 pick selection, especially with how devoid of talent Detroit's prospect pool was at the time of the selection, especially with several more promising options available. It's also true that he doesn't exactly have the highest hockey IQ, and relies heavily on using his size to bully smaller players on the PP, where a bulk of his production comes from, and that will be much more difficult to accomplish at the NHL level.

This is all my opinion.

I fixed that for you. The bulk of the criticism isnt merited based on his play last year. He had a great NHL preseason, a solid start to the year and post surgery had an absolutely dominant run of hockey for the last 40 games or so. Hes not flashy and thats what a bunch of fans get hung up on. Hes not going to make defenders look stupid by dangling them, but they arent going to take the puck from him down low or move him from the front of the net when hes 6'6 and ends up 240 lbs.

His hockey IQ is fine and sure maybe he does bully some people in junior? People act like this is the only way he produces (its not) but even if it was, hes going to be the biggest forward in the NHL when he gets there. Hes still going to be a bull in front of the net, do you really think a lot of the smaller puck movers in the league that are coming around these days are going to be able to handle a 6'6 240lb forward who has enough skill to actually play the game as well?

Pretty much anyone who watches him play are fine with the pick, and stat watching says he had a great year as well

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Not to mention that Thomas finished the season pretty poorly in Hamilton offensively compared to Rasmussen absolutely dominating after he returned from surgery. and like you said, Rasmussen post surgery played about the same amount of games as Vilardi did last season and produced just about the same while being better defensively and a better skater. For some reason that gets overlooked.



I fixed that for you. The bulk of the criticism isnt merited based on his play last year. He had a great NHL preseason, a solid start to the year and post surgery had an absolutely dominant run of hockey for the last 40 games or so. Hes not flashy and thats what a bunch of fans get hung up on. Hes not going to make defenders look stupid by dangling them, but they arent going to take the puck from him down low or move him from the front of the net when hes 6'6 and ends up 240 lbs.

His hockey IQ is fine and sure maybe he does bully some people in junior? People act like this is the only way he produces (its not) but even if it was, hes going to be the biggest forward in the NHL when he gets there. Hes still going to be a bull in front of the net, do you really think a lot of the smaller puck movers in the league that are coming around these days are going to be able to handle a 6'6 240lb forward who has enough skill to actually play the game as well?

Pretty much anyone who watches him play are fine with the pick, and stat watching says he had a great year as well

Evaluating players on preseason and development camps sure is myopic. These criticisms are based in both his draft year and his +1 year; and no one is hung up on his "flashiness," it's based on his actual production and metrics, take the goggles off.

 

[newfy]

Evaluating players on preseason and development camps sure is myopic. These criticisms are based in both his draft year and his +1 year; and no one is hung up on his "flashiness," it's based on his actual production and metrics, take the goggles off.

Preseason is just part of it. He had a great one against a bunch of guys trying to win NHL jobs. If its based off of actual production you havent looked at his production. His last 40 games of the season last year he was the most productive CHL player drafted in the first round that year. Production is the one thing where you dont need goggles, you look at the numbers. His were great, especially post surgery. If flashiness isnt the issue than you dont have a leg to stand on

Have you even looked at his production from last year or just in here spouting off crap about a player you dont know much about?