Value of: Bye bye Darnell, Hello OEL!!

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Honestly even better. Russell, next year’s 1st and either Broberg or Bouchard and I’m sold.
That's probably where this deal falls apart. I don't think Holland gives up Broberg or Bouchard along with the 1st. I just don't see that happening, and I can see why Arizona would hold out for that and not settle for a package of lesser pieces, like Samukorov and another prospect.
 

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If that is the offer the Coyotes should keep OEL. That is terrible value.
But they're not looking at this as a value-first deal. Ownership primarily want to offload OEL's insane contract to save money in the COVID era (to stay afloat by all accounts), and with Ekman-Larsson's NMC + Hjalmarsson refusing to waive, their hand might be forced.

It'll be interesting to see what happens regardless.
 

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According to Stauffer $6M is going the other way and Arizona is retaining on OEL. So maybe it's Russell + Chiasson + Pick + Prospect(Not Bouch/Broberg/McLeod) for OEL at ~$7M.
Link? I’d be extremely surprised if AZ retained on OEL. Frankly, if you can provide a link from Stauffer suffering AZ will retain and then they don’t, I think that should destroy his credibility.
 
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Link? I’d be extremely surprised if AZ retained on OEL. Frankly, if you can provide a link from Stauffer suffering AZ will retain and then they don’t, I think that should destroy his credibility.
Like any guy with a daily radio show during the off-season, he's doing what he does best--filling air time. Friedman does it, too. He floats ideas based on some of the rumors he hears. Stauffer has a good idea of what the team's cap situation is. There's very little chance the Oilers can fit OEL's entire cap hit on their payroll moving forward without some kind of money going back.

If this trade happens, Arizona will need to do some funky bookkeeping.
 
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I guess Oliver ain't gonna be an Oiler. None of these scenarios make sense to the Coyotes. The state of Nevada isn't going to keep the hotels and casinos locked down forever. Makes more sense to keep OEL and fire the coach.
 
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I guess Oliver ain't gonna be an Oiler. None of these scenarios make sense to the Coyotes. The state of Nevada isn't going to keep the hotels and casinos locked down forever. Makes more sense to keep OEL and fire the coach.
Disagree. There have been numerous proposals in his thread I expect the Coyotes would be very willing to entertain. A 1st, a D and some cap (eg. Kassian ) is pretty good value - given the circumstances - for OEL. Not sure he will waive to spend 7 years in Edmonton though despite the connection with Tippett and some Swedish D (not to mention the lure of playing on McDavid's team).
 

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Seems like they don't want to fire the coach though.
I wish they would fire Tocchet. I don't think there's any chance they do that this off-season. So I'm really only pinning my hopes on two things 1) The Coyotes trade a bunch of vets for futures and he just up and quits out of frustration or 2) they AT LEAST go into the season without extending him. Neither seems likely. I think he'll be extended. Which I hate because I think he sucks.
 

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Teams often don't get value when they are desperate to clear cash. That would be a huge win for Edmonton.
They can clear cash with moving out other players (stepan, gologoski, demers...) rather than take other teams problem contracts for their captain and #1 D.

If OEL is traded I am confident they will get a decent return.
 
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They can clear cash with moving out other players (stepan, gologoski, demers...) rather than take other teams problem contracts for their captain and #1 D.

If OEL is traded I am confident they will get a decent return.

I don't know if they will have much luck moving Stepan. Goligoski's modified no trade could really cause problems too, depending on the terms. Add Kessel and Raanta to the list of guys they will have a hard time moving. Hjalmarsson already declined waiving his. Then work in that there will be 4 or 5 forwards needed to add to the mix just to have enough players. It won't be that easy for teams to move out players for nothing coming back right now. Especially with so few teams having cap space.

That said, I anticipate that it will be somewhere in the middle of what is being discussed here. I don't think the Coyotes will retain on OEL and take a pile of cap space back. I don't think they retain at all to be honest. I do think the bones of this trade have been discussed though make sense. The biggest hurdles are OEL's no move clause, and Edmonton's lack of draft picks to trade in the next two years. I wish we had a re-do on that Athanasiou deal, it would make trading our 1st easier.
 
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I wish they would fire Tocchet. I don't think there's any chance they do that this off-season. So I'm really only pinning my hopes on two things 1) The Coyotes trade a bunch of vets for futures and he just up and quits out of frustration or 2) they AT LEAST go into the season without extending him. Neither seems likely. I think he'll be extended. Which I hate because I think he sucks.
I think if they were going to turf Tocchet, they would have done it already.
 

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I think if they were going to turf Tocchet, they would have done it already.
Their new GM is in the middle of his very first media appearance. He just fired the team’s director of amateur scouting and assistant general manager two weeks before the draft. Lol. He hasn’t even had a meeting with Tocchet yet. He just said so.
 
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Their new GM is in the middle of his very first media appearance. He just fired the team’s director of amateur scouting and assistant general manager two weeks before the draft. Lol. He hasn’t even had a meeting with Tocchet yet. He just said so.
Well then I retract my previous statement. I'm assuming somewhat that the owners are the ones wanting to keep him. Does he make below league average for coaches? Remember, if they fire him, they still need to pay him.
 

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If there is any truth to the rumor the Yotes would retain on OEL for the pieces being discussed here... huge win for Edmonton.
Where this breaks down for me is Arizona retaining on OEL, don't see any chance of that happening for the next 7 years. The option of a cap dump (Neal, Kassian) is far more likely as Coyotes would likely try to move one of those players at the TDL or maybe next season....at that point they might retain on 2 years of either of those deals, but not 7 years on OEL.

BTW, a change of scenery will be huge for OEL, I think Edm will see him return to his top pair level of play quickly.
 
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I don't know if they will have much luck moving Stepan. Goligoski's modified no trade could really cause problems too, depending on the terms. Add Kessel and Raanta to the list of guys they will have a hard time moving.
I don't think moving OEL would be about salary this year. It's more next year. OEL is only owed $4M the rest of the season. Stepan, $2M. Goose, $4M. Raanta, $2M. Kessel, $850k.next

Most of those drop off by themselves next summer or go at the deadline where the cap hits are prorated and you can easily retain on the balance of cash.

Kessel is owed 5.1M next season, so I'm sure they'd like to move him before that. If OEL is moved it's about next season's money, but it's also why Nurse and Neal make less than zero sense. 10.5 on OEL is better spent than 11 something on Nurse and Neal this year and next. That's adding 7 million obligation this year, and a little next. You can say "they save money on the third year", but they still have to pay some defenseman to fill that spot, and they are paying Neal almost 6M in that third year instead of $10.5M to OEL. And none of that justifies adding bundles of cash due this year.

If your buddy bought a $50,000 BMW and can scrimp and afford this year's $400 payments, but is worried about making next three years payments of $1000, offering your Civic that will die in two years for $560 a month, and clunker that has three years of payments at almost $600 for a combined $1100+ in payments doesn't help him in the slightest, even if he "saves money" over the course of the loans. He's better off keeping the BMW until he finds some other solution.
 
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Link? I’d be extremely surprised if AZ retained on OEL. Frankly, if you can provide a link from Stauffer suffering AZ will retain and then they don’t, I think that should destroy his credibility.
Stauffer is a radio guy he tweets a bit, but the majority of the stuff he says will never have a link. Stauffer is far from infallible if your standard is if he's wrong on one thing he has no credibility, then it's been gone for quite some time. As far as Oilers rumors go he's more connected than anyone else in the Edmonton media, but he's got to fill airtime so he bounces some crap against the wall from time to time, often off of nothing more than little tidbits of hearsay, the stuff with legs he circles back to a lot and he's talked about OEL a lot of recent.

Here's an article from Kurt Leavins: In times anything but normal might the Edmonton Oilers off-season not be either?: 9 Things | Edmonton Journal

"Arizona would also be keenly aware than in order to move their big LHS D-man it would have to both retain salary and probably take one on a contract, as well."

Leavins isn't typically known as a rumor guy in the Edmonton market, so we have 2 media guys saying there would be some retention on OEL and just me personally I wouldn't touch OEL without retention.
 

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