Proposal: Buffalo - Toronto

jonlin

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I`d assume Ristolainen would do very well on Torontos PP atleast and not having to log 25m+ would hopefully help him being better in his own zone . Maybe a deal around him makes sense?:

Buffalo gets:

- Nazem Kadri 4,5M
- Kasperi Kapanen RFA
- Nikita Zaitsev 4,5M

Toronto get:

- Rasmus Ristolainen 5,4M
- 5th 2019

Buffalo get 2 impact players in Kadri and Kapanen for taking on Zaitsevs contract. Toronto get much needed cap-relief ( around 7-8m in savings ) and upgrade their RD with a pp-specialist who has been struggling a bit eating too much minutes on a bad team.

Buffalo:

Skinner - Eichel - Reinhart
Sheary - Kadri - Nylander
Rodriques - Mittelstadt - Kapanen
Sobotka - Larsson - Thompson

Okposo traded in the offseason with a sweatener, Pominville off the books.

Toronto:

Zach Hyman-John Tavares-Mitch Marner
Andreas Johnsson-Auston Matthews-William Nylander
Patrick Marleau - Petan - Brown

Risto takes Zaitsevs Place on the 2nd pairing and PP1
 

TheKrebsCycle

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Risto is a train wreck defensively. Not the kind of D that the Leafs would trade Kadri or Kapanen for beyond he being right handed. Getting rid of Zaitsev would be nice but not at this cost.
 
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Funk21

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As Risto is a mess in his own zone this is Not the player we should be targeting.

Kadri is a good not elite two C, the difference is not Kap (on pace for 50 point rookie). Yes there is s cap dump in Zaitsev but I think with the right 2nd pairing or playing third pairing minutes he is okay. He is overpaid and poorly utilized.

I would want Nylander back. Likely get a lot of flack from Sabres fans but.....
 

jonlin

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The thing is:

Leafs doesnt afford to keep all their players if they want to sign Marner long-term. Kapanen, Johnson and someone else will need to be moved without taking salary back. This trade would upgrade Leafs D while getting that cap-relief. Every GM in the World knows about the situation in Toronto and the offers wont probably be what Leafs will want. Risto hasnt always been a mess, he is just overplayed and I`d bet the constant loosing is rubbing on him. He Still has value and the little meanstreak in him is also a thing Toronto need more of.
 

TheKrebsCycle

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The thing is:

Leafs doesnt afford to keep all their players if they want to sign Marner long-term. Kapanen, Johnson and someone else will need to be moved without taking salary back. This trade would upgrade Leafs D while getting that cap-relief. Every GM in the World knows about the situation in Toronto and the offers wont probably be what Leafs will want. Risto hasnt always been a mess, he is just overplayed and I`d bet the constant loosing is rubbing on him. He Still has value and the little meanstreak in him is also a thing Toronto need more of.

Fake news bud. We have no idea what Marner, let alone Johnsson and Kapanens hits will be. Kap and Johnsson will most likely be bridged.
 

jonlin

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Fake news bud. We have no idea what Marner, let alone Johnsson and Kapanens hits will be. Kap and Johnsson will most likely be bridged.

Lets say Marner takes a discount and places himself between Nylander and Matthews at 10.5M/8yrs:

Marner 10.5M/8yrs
Kapanen 3.85M/3yrs
Johnsson 3,25M /3yrs
Matthews 11.6M
Tavares 11M
Marleau 6,25M
Kadri 4,5M
Hyman 2.25M
Brown 2.1M
Petan 0.775M
Gauthier 0.675M

Rielly 5M
Zaitsev 4.5M
Muzzin 4M
Dermott 0.633M
Holl 0.675M

Andersen 5M

Thats 76,55M, with 17 players signed! NHL teams usually ice a 23 man roster and can have no less than 20. This is a generous estimate on the RFA contracts and assuming Horton is on LTIR. With 6 players Still to sign I would say that there is a slight problem.
 

LeafGrief

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Lets say Marner takes a discount and places himself between Nylander and Matthews at 10.5M/8yrs:

Marner 10.5M/8yrs
Kapanen 3.85M/3yrs
Johnsson 3,25M /3yrs
Matthews 11.6M
Tavares 11M
Marleau 6,25M
Kadri 4,5M
Hyman 2.25M
Brown 2.1M
Petan 0.775M
Gauthier 0.675M

Rielly 5M
Zaitsev 4.5M
Muzzin 4M
Dermott 0.633M
Holl 0.675M

Andersen 5M

Thats 76,55M, with 17 players signed! NHL teams usually ice a 23 man roster and can have no less than 20. This is a generous estimate on the RFA contracts and assuming Horton is on LTIR. With 6 players Still to sign I would say that there is a slight problem.
It's really a tragedy that the Leafs wouldn't make any moves like trading Brown in that scenario. Kudos for being "generous" with Marner @10.5m though lol. You also forgot Moore (775k) and Sparks (755k) putting the Leafs at 78m with 19 players signed in your scenario. 4 players in 4 mil and they're role players? Sure, it's a slight pinch, but we're not drowining or shipping out Kapanen for draft picks here.

As for the deal, not in the slightest bit interested. Risto is a good player, but a defensive disaster is the last thing that we need and we're not stapling Kadri and Kapanen to a deal to move out Zaitsev. When I look at the Leafs, "A PP specialist" is really the last thing on our wish-list.
 
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ole ole

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Lets say Marner takes a discount and places himself between Nylander and Matthews at 10.5M/8yrs:

Marner 10.5M/8yrs
Kapanen 3.85M/3yrs
Johnsson 3,25M /3yrs
Matthews 11.6M
Tavares 11M
Marleau 6,25M
Kadri 4,5M
Hyman 2.25M
Brown 2.1M
Petan 0.775M
Gauthier 0.675M

Rielly 5M
Zaitsev 4.5M
Muzzin 4M
Dermott 0.633M
Holl 0.675M

Andersen 5M

Thats 76,55M, with 17 players signed! NHL teams usually ice a 23 man roster and can have no less than 20. This is a generous estimate on the RFA contracts and assuming Horton is on LTIR. With 6 players Still to sign I would say that there is a slight problem.

Does anyone really think that Marner would sign for 10.5 for 5 YRS let alone 8 YRS
 

Funk21

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Does anyone really think that Marner would sign for 10.5 for 5 YRS let alone 8 YRS

Considering that Kucherov signed for 9.5 then its reasonable. I actually think he signs a three year bridge. Then cashes in big with an 8 year deal for max money.

Rantanen is having just as good if not better season so what would he get?
 

ole ole

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Considering that Kucherov signed for 9.5 then its reasonable. I actually think he signs a three year bridge. Then cashes in big with an 8 year deal for max money.

Rantanen is having just as good if not better season so what would he get?
Do you think if Kucherov 's contract was up at the end of THIS season he'd sign for 9.5
 

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Lets say Marner takes a discount and places himself between Nylander and Matthews at 10.5M/8yrs:

Marner 10.5M/8yrs
Kapanen 3.85M/3yrs
Johnsson 3,25M /3yrs
Matthews 11.6M
Tavares 11M
Marleau 6,25M
Kadri 4,5M
Hyman 2.25M
Brown 2.1M
Petan 0.775M
Gauthier 0.675M

Rielly 5M
Zaitsev 4.5M
Muzzin 4M
Dermott 0.633M
Holl 0.675M

Andersen 5M

Thats 76,55M, with 17 players signed! NHL teams usually ice a 23 man roster and can have no less than 20. This is a generous estimate on the RFA contracts and assuming Horton is on LTIR. With 6 players Still to sign I would say that there is a slight problem.

For $1.5 M they can add the d-man with the second highest Pts/GP in the AHL and the forward one point off of leading the league in points.

They can also do other things like say move Brown for a pick or other possible trades.
 

Funk21

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Do you think if Kucherov 's contract was up at the end of THIS season he'd sign for 9.5

Who is worth more Marner or Kucherov? Point is 1C like JT and Matthews get paid because of the position. Did we overpay on Matthews and Nylander IMO yes. Marner will get paid and paid handsomely but if your looking at production then Kucherov is the McDavid of wingers. How good would Marner look without JT? Likely with Kadri he is at 70 points?

Just saying, this will all be brought up when negotiating starts. Would I have preferred Dubas to have signed all three this summer? Absolutely but it didn’t happen.
 

WilliamNylander

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Buffalo Fans: Risto has negative value. We already have Zaitsev who is the same player.
 
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Does anyone really think that Marner would sign for 10.5 for 5 YRS let alone 8 YRS
Why should Marner get as much as AM thou? If you look at their overall numbers since coming to the league, AM would own a better a PPG, plays the more valuable position, actually played in the league right after his draft year and is surrounded with more hype than Marner thanks to his "1st overall" status. I know Marner's agent said he feels Marner ought to get the same as AM but that is simply negotiating tactics that agents are well knows for, Nylander's agent I believe was rumored to be asking for 8+ mill but ended up settling for less in the end.

I think Patrick Kane is a reasonable comparison, Kane signed for 11.09% of the cap after coming out of his ELC which ends up being ~9.3 x 5 with a 83 mill cap. If you consider the rumored AM 8 year contract, 1 extra UFA year warrants a .87% increase in the cap hit, I dont think Dubas would want the big 3 to hit UFA at the same time so Marner will likely end up getting ~ 10.05 x 6 in the end, maybe add another 400-500k their if you believe in the Dubas, superstar premium.
 
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Ziggdiezan

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Do you think if Kucherov 's contract was up at the end of THIS season he'd sign for 9.5
Kutcherov's current contract (4.7 x 3 years) is up at the end of this current season.

The 9.5 million dollar contract kicks in next season.
 

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