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yahhockey

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Im trying to imagine 70 millionaires on 30 teams just staying in this bubble for 4 months. Its not gonna happen.

I feel honored to have a post cherry picked and turned into everyone's favourite phrase - fake news.

It's a long time from now until September. Traveling teams are essentially quarantined, well at least until they start banging helmets on the field. Whether they fly day of the game and go from plane to bus to stadium to bus to plane or the day before and go plane to bus to hotel to bus to stadium to bus to plane their interaction with the public is limited. The NFL may have some type of team bubble in place where players and their families are supposed to stay home except if at the team facility. 8-10 weeks is an eternity in covid time so who knows what late August/early September will bring.

If 'their interaction with the public is limited' follows possible team travel arrangements to and from games then clearly the intention is that during travel to and from games the team's interactions with the public are limited. Which could easily be the case and should be the case. The next sentence mentions a potential bubble and players/families supposed to stay home but that is hypothetical because we do not know any firm guidelines from the NFL and I also used the word supposed because I agree there may be challenges. All sports trying to play in a bubble may face challenges and some players may not be able handle it.
 

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Im trying to imagine 70 millionaires on 30 teams just staying in this bubble for 4 months. Its not gonna happen.

They couldn't keep Eddie Lacy away from food for millions of dollars. Can't imagine they could get the entire league to do that, especially without some kind of additional comp.
 

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The NFL really didn't lose a lot of money from kneeling: TV ratings down, team revenues up: have protests really hurt the NFL?

The decrease in ratings is more likely attributable than people shifting how they view games, especially since team revenues increased during the time.

Plus latest polling is showing more and more support for Black Lives Matters protests. People that are against it are in the minority. If the NFL gives in to the minority, they make the majority mad and would lose more money.

That all ignores the fact the NFL is a primarily black league. Make the players mad and the league loses all revenues.

Kneeling came from a discussion between a Green Beret and Kaep on how to best protest. There's nothing offensive to kneel at the flag.


There's an actual law on how to respect the flag, kneeling isn't in there: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8

Things that are:
The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. - so things like the blue lives matter flags disrespect our flag

The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. - so people wearing the flag show more disrespect for the flag than kneeling

It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. - don't use flag napkins this weekend as that is also more disrespectful
 
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The NFL really didn't lose a lot of money from kneeling: TV ratings down, team revenues up: have protests really hurt the NFL?

The decrease in ratings is more likely attributable than people shifting how they view games, especially since team revenues increased during the time.

Plus latest polling is showing more and more support for Black Lives Matters protests. People that are against it are in the minority. If the NFL gives in to the minority, they make the majority mad and would lose more money.

That all ignores the fact the NFL is a primarily black league. Make the players mad and the league loses all revenues.

Kneeling came from a discussion between a Green Beret and Kaep on how to best protest. There's nothing offensive to kneel at the flag.


There's an actual law on how to respect the flag, kneeling isn't in there: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8

Things that are:
The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. - so things like the blue lives matter flags disrespect our flag

The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. - so people wearing the flag show more disrespect for the flag than kneeling

It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. - don't use flag napkins this weekend as that is also more disrespectful



Uh that part that likes to be pointed out about the flag is referring to using an ACTUAL flag as part of clothing. Not a RWB design or white and red striped clothing etc which is totally fine. And it definitely doesn't mean a red white and blue flag design on napkins is inappropriate :facepalm:

How about to end these stupid debates DONT play any anthems. Or if you do then play it while the players are inside the locker room. I watch football on the weekends for fantasy, Bills and relaxing after a work week. I don't want f***ing political or social statements shoved in my face the entire 3 hours.


Didn't know each ____-American sub group had their own anthems. Any kneeling allowed for these other anthems?
 

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The over use of the anthem seems to diminish it. They used to play it at movies before the show and would end tv broadcasting also. For international events it may make sense but before entertainment like sports in general it makes no sense. I guess no one wants to be the first one to say "the emperor has no clothes".
 
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Uh that part that likes to be pointed out about the flag is referring to using an ACTUAL flag as part of clothing. Not a RWB design or white and red striped clothing etc which is totally fine. And it definitely doesn't mean a red white and blue flag design on napkins is inappropriate :facepalm:

How about to end these stupid debates DONT play any anthems. Or if you do then play it while the players are inside the locker room. I watch football on the weekends for fantasy, Bills and relaxing after a work week. I don't want f***ing political or social statements shoved in my face the entire 3 hours.


Didn't know each ____-American sub group had their own anthems. Any kneeling allowed for these other anthems?

Actually it's not referring to the actual flag. Section 3 of the flag code defines the flag:

The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

But yes, all sports should just get rid of the anthem.
 
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If professional sports leagues want to make a statement they should host events separate from their entertainment product. There's all kinds of things they could be doing to make a real difference. The point has been made, now it's time to act on it in tangible ways. Hollywood basically killed off the popularity of awards shows by letting them become political platforms.
 

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10 year extension for Mahomes.

Bet this was a way for KC to bring the cap # way down to stay competitive while still getting Mahomes big time, record-setting, guaranteed $.

My uneducated guess: 10-years, $300M. $200M guaranteed (some mix of signing bonus and yearly game/workout guarantees).
 
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10 year extension for Mahomes.

Bet this was a way for KC to bring the cap # way down to stay competitive while still getting Mahomes big time, record-setting, guaranteed $.

My uneducated guess: 10-years, $300M. $200M guaranteed (some mix of signing bonus and yearly game/workout guarantees).

Gonna be over 400
 

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10 year extension for Mahomes.

Bet this was a way for KC to bring the cap # way down to stay competitive while still getting Mahomes big time, record-setting, guaranteed $.

My uneducated guess: 10-years, $300M. $200M guaranteed (some mix of signing bonus and yearly game/workout guarantees).

 

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New reports suggest it is NOT linked to cap as first thought.

I still don’t know how you field a super bowl team with a 45 million dollar QB. Mahomes is the best in the game, but I don’t know if that is enough given the inevitable toll of a contract like this on the talent level around him.

will be interesting to see how it works out. Good for him. At least he seems like a genuinely good guy.
 

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New reports suggest it is NOT linked to cap as first thought.

I still don’t know how you field a super bowl team with a 45 million dollar QB. Mahomes is the best in the game, but I don’t know if that is enough given the inevitable toll of a contract like this on the talent level around him.

will be interesting to see how it works out. Good for him. At least he seems like a genuinely good guy.
NFL contracts are crazy.

EXAMPLE: Matt Ryan
- Signed a 5 year $150M contract
- Signing Bonus $46.5M
- Guaranteed at signing $94.5M
- Total guaranteed $100M

You would think the cap hit would be in the neighborhood of $30M a year, right? Cap hit each year is: Base + (Signing Bonus / Contract Term) + Other Bonuses that year. So for Ryan:
- 2018: Base $6M SB $9.3M Other Bonuses $2.4M = $17.7M cap hit
- 2019: Base $2.75M SB $9.3M Other $3.75M = $15.8M cap hit
- 2020: Base $1.05M SB $9.3M Other $8.6125M = $17.9625M cap hit
and so on...

"Easy" to manipulate the cap hits (up front at least) by playing with yearly base, signing bonus, guarantees, other bonuses, incentives...
 
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How happy is Kim that they didnt draft Mahomes?

Oh c'mon now. If we draft Mahomes instead of trading out, there's no guarantee at all that he is this good now. He went to literally the perfect spot -- QB guru as head coach, willing mentor veteran to learn from, oodles of talent around him.

If he comes here......he's probably "just another Josh Allen".
 
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NFL contracts are crazy.

EXAMPLE: Matt Ryan
- Signed a 5 year $150M contract
- Signing Bonus $46.5M
- Guaranteed at signing $94.5M
- Total guaranteed $100M

You would think the cap hit would be in the neighborhood of $30M a year, right? Cap hit each year is: Base + (Signing Bonus / Contract Term) + Other Bonuses that year. So for Ryan:
- 2018: Base $6M SB $9.3M Other Bonuses $2.4M = $17.7M cap hit
- 2019: Base $2.75M SB $9.3M Other $3.75M = $15.8M cap hit
- 2020: Base $1.05M SB $9.3M Other $8.6125M = $17.9625M cap hit
and so on...

"Easy" to manipulate the cap hits (up front at least) by playing with yearly base, signing bonus, guarantees, other bonuses, incentives...
To expand on this. Here's a very very dumb example of what Pat Mahomes contract could look like. It's ignoring all bonuses except signing bonus.

Year Base SB Cap Hit
1 $ 5,000,000 $ 20,000,000 $ 25,000,000
2 $ 10,000,000 $ 20,000,000 $ 30,000,000
3 $ 15,000,000 $ 20,000,000 $ 35,000,000
4 $ 20,000,000 $ 20,000,000 $ 40,000,000
5 $ 25,000,000 $ 20,000,000 $ 45,000,000
6 $ 25,000,000 $ 20,000,000 $ 45,000,000
7 $ 25,000,000 $ 20,000,000 $ 45,000,000
8 $ 25,000,000 $ 20,000,000 $ 45,000,000
9 $ 25,000,000 $ 20,000,000 $ 45,000,000
10 $ 25,000,000 $ 20,000,000 $ 45,000,000
TOTAL $ 200,000,000 $ 200,000,000
TOTAL POTENTIAL $ 400,000,000
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The $200M signing bonuses would be paid up front but the cap hit of it would be distributed evenly across the contract. By keeping the base lower in the first couple years, they can keep the cap hit lower for what they perceive as their "window". Then you have to factor in how much total is guaranteed. In theory, they could only guarantee the signing bonus (unlikely) and they wouldn't necessarily pay the full $400M if they cut him early. But there are dead cap implications there. But then they could potentially restructure his deal in later years :shrug:

Edit: one more point. It looks like the 10 year extension is completely an extension, so he's signed for potentially 12 more years. IF they are giving him no new money no the last 2 years of his current deal, then if they had cap space the next 2 years, they could in theory restructure other long term deals to have a higher up front cap hit to offset Mahomes.
 
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Wow.

Still, it's hard to fully judge it until we know: Base salary each year, signing bonus, yearly guarantees and bonuses.

There are the numbers that are truly guaranteed: The money he is paid if he is cut day 1 of the contract
Then there are the numbers that are guaranteed by hitting some date: The money he is paid each year by being on the roster. The money he doesn't get if he is cut before that date.
 

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Now it is being reported as a 503 million dollar deal with a no trade clause and multiple outs for Mahomes if “guarantee mechanisms aren’t exercised.” Whatever the hell that means.
Seems like a very player friendly deal.
 

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Now it is being reported as a 503 million dollar deal with a no trade clause and multiple outs for Mahomes if “guarantee mechanisms aren’t exercised.” Whatever the hell that means.
Seems like a very player friendly deal.
Probably bonuses for games played/started or other bonuses tied to things that the team can control?

This is going to be a very strange contract.
 

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