GDT: Buffalo at Detroit, 7:30

[Redder Winger]

Green out again. 4 straight games with a "stinger."
Howard in goal.


Looks like Rebuilding Detroit is going to use Booth instead of Frk.


Tank Tracking
Detroit needs to start losing soon if they're going to catch Montreal and Ottawa. The Rangers are just two points ahead of Detroit and they've lost 4 straight and are 2-8 in the last 10.
NYR play MTL tonight, so a three-point game there would be sweet. Washington is at FLA, so not expecting help there. Toronto should be the favorite as the Isles visit.

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[Flowah]

Would love to see Coreau.

Wondering if I'll skip this Wings game by choice for the first time in years. Previously, only weddings or funerals could keep me away. Hell I was that annoying bastard who comes to a house party and has the stream on mute on his phone to watch it every so often.

 

[bellringer77]

So aggravating. I will thank God when Blashill is a goner. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Or do. Just go away.

 

[Shaman464]

So aggravating. I will thank God when Blashill is a goner. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Or do. Just go away.

Who would you want instead? Someone who actively didn't care or someone who might give them a shot at being first round fodder? This team isn't a great coach away from anything but slightly more self-destructive mediocrity.

 

[Redder Winger]

Who would you want instead? Someone who actively didn't care or someone who might give them a shot at being first round fodder? This team isn't a great coach away from anything but slightly more self-destructive mediocrity.

Someone who will help young players get better.

Since Blash got here:

Jurco - Declined - traded.
Pulkkinen - declined and traded
Sheahan - declined and traded
Nyquist - declined (talked about being traded)
Tatar - Declined (talked about being traded)
Mrazek - Declined and traded
Dekeyser - Declined.

How about the players who just didn't live up to expectations:
Ryan Sproul
Xavier Ouellet

These guys were never going to be the next Datsyuks and Zetterbergs.
But they were a very good group of young players who won a cup in the AHL together. And now they're wiped out.

Also - it's not like the veterans have been much better.
Helm's numbers have declined
Abby's numbers have declined.
Nielsen's numbers have declined.
Daley's numbers have declined.

So who are the players who've improved under Blash?

 

[TheMule93]

Also Mrazek is apparently starting in Philly tonight

 

[Flowah]

These guys were never going to be the next Datsyuks and Zetterbergs.
But they were a very good group of young players who won a cup in the AHL together. And now they're wiped out.

Yeah they won a cup in the AHL. Under Blashill.

Because in the AHL they were super talented but in the NHL they're not.

It's really that simple. As the team got worse, players "declined" because it's obviously easier to rack up points when your teammates are good.

Basically every veteran who came over under Babcock was massively disappointing as well. Legwand, Cole, Weiss. It's because the team just wasn't good enough and it's only gotten worse as the leaders got older.

 

[theYman]

Also Mrazek is apparently starting in Philly tonight

This'll be interesting. I hate having to root for Philly. I won't but I will root for Petr. Need those wins to help our pick.

 

[The Flying Octopus]

Tank Tracking
Detroit needs to start losing soon if they're going to catch Montreal and Ottawa. The Rangers are just two points ahead of Detroit and they've lost 4 straight and are 2-8 in the last 10.
NYR play MTL tonight, so a three-point game there would be sweet. Washington is at FLA, so not expecting help there. Toronto should be the favorite as the Isles visit.

I don't think you understand. KH/JB and the entire mgmt team, think they are still a playoff team.

Trust the process, they say

ps- I don't think Green is being traded. His son and my son go to same daycare, and my wife and his wife are super close. Seems like he likes it here in Detroit and would only be moved to ONE team, TB...Now, obviously, this is all talk, but take it for what its worth, but I dont see #19 pulling the trigger on a guy like Green.

Who would you want instead? Someone who actively didn't care or someone who might give them a shot at being first round fodder? This team isn't a great coach away from anything but slightly more self-destructive mediocrity.

I'd take Dave Lewis over this guy anyday. Gerard Gallant should have been brought in last year. JB should never have been given the keys to this squad this year. In terms of who to bring in, thats a great question. Plethora of coaches out there looking for their shot and ones currently who no one ever heard of that are doing quite well. Look it up, if you need to. IMO, this team is much better the last two years without Jeff Blashill.

 

[Shaman464]

Someone who will help young players get better.

Since Blash got here:

Jurco - Declined - traded.
Pulkkinen - declined and traded
Sheahan - declined and traded
Nyquist - declined (talked about being traded)
Tatar - Declined (talked about being traded)
Mrazek - Declined and traded
Dekeyser - Declined.

How about the players who just didn't live up to expectations:
Ryan Sproul
Xavier Ouellet

These guys were never going to be the next Datsyuks and Zetterbergs.
But they were a very good group of young players who won a cup in the AHL together. And now they're wiped out.

Also - it's not like the veterans have been much better.
Helm's numbers have declined
Abby's numbers have declined.
Nielsen's numbers have declined.
Daley's numbers have declined.

So who are the players who've improved under Blash?

Having a shitty team usually can lead to declining numbers. There is no more Datsyuk. Kronwall is a husk of his former self. No more Lidstrom. Z is declining. So now there is no more D or Cs to make the supporting cast look better.

Also Jurco and Pulkks were never likely to make it in the NHL, neither had the skill set.

 

[theYman]

Someone who will help young players get better.

Since Blash got here:

Jurco - Declined - traded.
Pulkkinen - declined and traded
Sheahan - declined and traded
Nyquist - declined (talked about being traded)
Tatar - Declined (talked about being traded)
Mrazek - Declined and traded
Dekeyser - Declined.

How about the players who just didn't live up to expectations:
Ryan Sproul
Xavier Ouellet

These guys were never going to be the next Datsyuks and Zetterbergs.
But they were a very good group of young players who won a cup in the AHL together. And now they're wiped out.

Also - it's not like the veterans have been much better.
Helm's numbers have declined
Abby's numbers have declined.
Nielsen's numbers have declined.
Daley's numbers have declined.

So who are the players who've improved under Blash?

Daley and Nielsen? Since when have they been a staple on this team for years? And no, they're numbers are about right where they should be. Daley isn't more than a 20 pt dman and isn't a goalscorer. Nielsen is no more than 40-50 guy. He achieved that last year and is scoring more goals this year. Abby is also pacing his avg this year.

 

[Bondurant]

Embrace the tank. No more goalies!

 

[The Flying Octopus]

Having a ****ty team usually can lead to declining numbers. There is no more Datsyuk. Kronwall is a husk of his former self. No more Lidstrom. Z is declining. So now there is no more D or Cs to make the supporting cast look better.

Also Jurco and Pulkks were never likely to make it in the NHL, neither had the skill set.

Answer the question. Since Blashill has been here, who has gotten better?

 

[Flowah]

Answer the question. Since Blashill has been here, who has gotten better?

Larkin is having a pretty good year.

Problem is, none of the players that were here under Babs were due for another step. Was Z supposed to get better? Was Kronwall? Ericsson?

And how much of it is Blashill versus the team just getting worse overall?

 

[bellringer77]

Who would you want instead? Someone who actively didn't care or someone who might give them a shot at being first round fodder? This team isn't a great coach away from anything but slightly more self-destructive mediocrity.

Are those my only two options? I don't know if the decision making by the staff of this team can get any more mediocre

 

[The Flying Octopus]

Larkin is having a pretty good year.

Problem is, none of the players that were here under Babs were due for another step. Was Z supposed to get better? Was Kronwall? Ericsson?

And how much of it is Blashill versus the team just getting worse overall?

Guys like Larkin/ AA / Mantha are supposed to be good. A lot has to do with Blashill. He has zero offensive system, cant teach an effective breakout, dumps and chases 90% of the time, or has guys like AA / Larkin carry in w speed, only to be trapped at the blueline. A coach implements a system, and he has none. Thats where the players have regressed.

 

[Redder Winger]

Yeah they won a cup in the AHL. Under Blashill.

Because in the AHL they were super talented but in the NHL they're not.

It's really that simple. As the team got worse, players "declined" because it's obviously easier to rack up points when your teammates are good.

Basically every veteran who came over under Babcock was massively disappointing as well. Legwand, Cole, Weiss. It's because the team just wasn't good enough and it's only gotten worse as the leaders got older.

Come on.
Sheahan goes from
9-15-25 in 42 games
13-23-36 in 79 games
----new coach
14-11-25
2-11-13 (both goals on the last game of the season) in 80 games)
0-0-0 in 8 games
---traded---
8-15-23 in 52 games with Pittsburgh

Tatar
29-27-56 (half the year with Datsyuk, have with Sheahan)
--newcoach-
21-24-45
21-25-46 (playing with a very productive Zetterberg)
16-11-27 (59 games)


Nyquist
28-20 in 57 games
27-27 in 82 games
---- new coach---
17-26-43 in 82 games
12-36-48 in 48 games
16-12-28 in 59 games

Mrazek -
16-9-2 .238 .918
--- new coach--
27-16-6 2.33 .921
18-21-9 3.04 .901
8-7-3 .910 2.89

So show me an example of someone who has markedly improved?
Howard showed some improvement last year. But that was sandwiched between two mediocre years.

Glendening maybe? But Glenny did have a 12-6-18 season for Babcock before he left.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Someone who will help young players get better.

Since Blash got here:

Jurco - Declined - traded.
Pulkkinen - declined and traded
Sheahan - declined and traded
Nyquist - declined (talked about being traded)
Tatar - Declined (talked about being traded)
Mrazek - Declined and traded
Dekeyser - Declined.

How about the players who just didn't live up to expectations:
Ryan Sproul
Xavier Ouellet

These guys were never going to be the next Datsyuks and Zetterbergs.
But they were a very good group of young players who won a cup in the AHL together. And now they're wiped out.

Also - it's not like the veterans have been much better.
Helm's numbers have declined
Abby's numbers have declined.
Nielsen's numbers have declined.
Daley's numbers have declined.

So who are the players who've improved under Blash?

Don't ask stupid questions. There are so many factors for the above listed players to have taken a backwards step in their game.

It is not all on Jeff Blashill.

 

[Spitfire11]

Embrace the tank. No more goalies!

That would be hilarious to see a team not give a f*** about perceived tanking and just play with 6 skaters. Detroit should do it to get a head start on improving the PP next year.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Lets Go Red Wings Wing 5 Sabres 2

 

[TheMule93]

That would be hilarious to see a team not give a **** about perceived tanking and just play with 6 skaters. Detroit should do it to get a head start on improving the PP next year.

Then we would assuredly not get Dahlin, the hockey gods would disapprove bigly. I'm hoping we've got earned good karma with not having a top 5 pick in forever, meaning we will be awarded Dahlin

 

[Shaman464]

Come on.
Sheahan goes from
9-15-25 in 42 games
13-23-36 in 79 games
----new coach
14-11-25
2-11-13 (both goals on the last game of the season) in 80 games)
0-0-0 in 8 games
---traded---
8-15-23 in 52 games with Pittsburgh

Tatar
29-27-56 (half the year with Datsyuk, have with Sheahan)
--newcoach-
21-24-45
21-25-46 (playing with a very productive Zetterberg)
16-11-27 (59 games)


Nyquist
28-20 in 57 games
27-27 in 82 games
---- new coach---
17-26-43 in 82 games
12-36-48 in 48 games
16-12-28 in 59 games

Mrazek -
16-9-2 .238 .918
--- new coach--
27-16-6 2.33 .921
18-21-9 3.04 .901
8-7-3 .910 2.89

So show me an example of someone who has markedly improved?
Howard showed some improvement last year. But that was sandwiched between two mediocre years.

Glendening maybe? But Glenny did have a 12-6-18 season for Babcock before he left.

That's assuming all other things are the same, which its clearly not. The team was built around a solid transition from the D, which the team isn't able to do anymore. That right there kills goal scoring.

 

[Redder Winger]

That's assuming all other things are the same, which its clearly not. The team was built around a solid transition from the D, which the team isn't able to do anymore. That right there kills goal scoring.

2014-15 isn't that long ago.
Kronwall. Dekeyser
Quincey. Ericsson.
Kindl. Smith.

It ain't like our current defense is far superior.

Kindl and Smith aren't in the NHL.
Kyle Quincey isn't in the NHL anymore.

Is that defense really any better than
Ericsson Green
Kronwall Daley
Dekeyser Jensen

The main difference is we still had a point-per-game Datsyuk - even if his effectiveness had been muted.

Other than that, the difference is Blashill vs Babcock

 

[Shaman464]

2014-15 isn't that long ago.
Kronwall. Dekeyser
Quincey. Ericsson.
Kindl. Smith.

It ain't like our current defense is far superior.

Kindl and Smith aren't in the NHL.
Kyle Quincey isn't in the NHL anymore.

Is that defense really any better than
Ericsson Green
Kronwall Daley
Dekeyser Jensen

The main difference is we still had a point-per-game Datsyuk - even if his effectiveness had been muted.

Other than that, the difference is Blashill vs Babcock

Kronwall has gone off a cliff, remember that he put up 44 points that year. Compared to 13 last year and 23 he's on pace for this year. That's half his offense. Add to that Dekeyser putting up nearly 29 points, and Smith and Kindl putting up comparable points to Daley and Ericsson, the team had a better puck moving D by enough that its non-negligible. Add to that over a PPG Datsyuk and its a different team that was still trending downwards.

 

[Redder Winger]

Kronwall has gone off a cliff, remember that he put up 44 points that year. Compared to 13 last year and 23 he's on pace for this year. That's half his offense. Add to that Dekeyser putting up nearly 29 points, and Smith and Kindl putting up comparable points to Daley and Ericsson, the team had a better puck moving D by enough that its non-negligible. Add to that over a PPG Datsyuk and its a different team that was still trending downwards.

Right. But we also have Mike Green now.

And shouldn't Daley be better than Kindl or Smith?

And Dekeyser is one of the guys who I cited as someone who has started to suck Blashill.

What would Green and Daley have scored with Babcock?