Juolevi+Madden for Buchnevich?
To get some of the guys on that list, we'd have to see the 1st + addison being ponied up, maybe even more.
This is a pretty good offer though I’d really like to hold onto Fast. He’s the perfect bottom 6er who makes any line better and can play top 6 and look good. How about retained Buchnevich+Hajek for a 1st? Buch can put up 55+ in the right scenario and I think the Pens can be that team. Hajek is a raw potential top 4 that’s struggled this season but was our best defenseman in each of the 5 games he played last year receiving heavy praise. We have like 5 LHD prospects on Hajek’s level already though
Pens are not tight against cap now with Jake on LTI
Addison, while not carrying the pedigree of Poulin, is not an expendable piece for the Pens in my opinion. We need him going forward I would rather dangle Poulin who probably has more value anyways.Rightfully so, and I would make that trade too.
Over and over...rutherford has clearly stated Pittsburghs first is NOT in play.something around Buch for Pitt 1st is fine
Galy is only a cap dump, do not want, prefer cap $
only would take since he is expiring
there is no need to be crazy generous and include Hajek
actually, when buchnevich was being held down in the lineup by AV, i was quite vocal in asking for him to be given a larger opportunity because that is, in fact, what he deserved.Don’t paint yourself as in the middle.
There are two categories here. You either want him to stay or you want him gone.
None of you were suggesting to trade him two months ago. He has some bad luck for a few months, and you all of a sudden want him gone. These are the same people that told us to trade Kreider a few months ago and now want him to stay due to SSS results. I’d suggest not being so emotional and reactionary to a small sample. But thats your right. However, don’t claim you are in the middle. You aren’t. There’s two sides.
Besides, it’s funny how you talk about results, yet people like you wanted to ignore his results when he was given a smaller role for years and was producing great results. You can’t say the results aren’t there after he’s only been given one season of a normal role, and then say it’s decided when that’s the season he ends up having terrible puck luck.
lol that was months ago before Jake got hurt. Times have changedOver and over...rutherford has clearly stated Pittsburghs first is NOT in play.
The Rangers aren't going to be trading for an UFA in Galchenyuk. Maybe they'll take a risk on him this summer like we did with guys like Grabner, Pouliot, and Stralman, but I don't see any feasible way he's coming back to us unless it's a cap dump.Buchnevich is way better than his point totals suggest, easily our 3rd best forward after Panarin & Mika. Galchenyuk sucks and Pittsburgh’s 1st may very well be 31. And we’re giving our 3rd on top of that? Awful
Rutherford has not said any different and Jake appears to be ready for playoff start. What has changed besides pens moving up in standing ? No panic no need to trade a 1rst. They need a winger yes but it wont come for a firstlol that was months ago before Jake got hurt. Times have changed
Rutherford has not said any different and Jake appears to be ready for playoff start. What has changed besides pens moving up in standing ? No panic no need to trade a 1rst. They need a winger yes but it wont come for a first
Don’t paint yourself as in the middle.
There are two categories here. You either want him to stay or you want him gone.
None of you were suggesting to trade him two months ago. He has some bad luck for a few months, and you all of a sudden want him gone. These are the same people that told us to trade Kreider a few months ago and now want him to stay due to SSS results. I’d suggest not being so emotional and reactionary to a small sample. But thats your right. However, don’t claim you are in the middle. You aren’t. There’s two sides.
Besides, it’s funny how you talk about results, yet people like you wanted to ignore his results when he was given a smaller role for years and was producing great results. You can’t say the results aren’t there after he’s only been given one season of a normal role, and then say it’s decided when that’s the season he ends up having terrible puck luck.
I like Buch, I can appreciate that hes a 40+ point player. No harm in that.
I'm not rushing to trade him, but if the right offer came knocking, I'd consider moving him
actually, when buchnevich was being held down in the lineup by AV, i was quite vocal in asking for him to be given a larger opportunity because that is, in fact, what he deserved.
but, now it's his 3rd year of having his opporutnity. i personally like buchnevich at the $$ he's at, and I wouldn't mind that as a long-term salary for him. kakko and kravtsov will succeed him on the right side, and he's going to be a 3rd liner for the rangers. he's fine as a placeholder in the top 6 for this deal, but he's not a long term top 6 option and frankly i just dont want the Rangers to pay him like one.
buch has been given his opporutnity that a lot of us called for based off of merit, now it's time for merit to come back into play since he hasn't exactly taken advantage of the opporuntity he earned unfortunately. merit and rewards based on play goes both ways. not just the one that benefits you
sorry for my lack of clarification, my middle stance was me referring to the eye test vs advanced stats, not the buchnevich argument. i will state openly, i don't think buchnevich has a long term place with NYR, because he's going to want a raise that would be stupid for NYR to give to him. the guy just isn't going to live up to the 55-60 point potential the pro-buch crowd has him pegged at. he's a third liner at best, and i don't see him continuing to be payed like the one he is and therefore want him traded for a return.
like some penguins posters have said, they assume pens won't give up a 1st for buch, but if any team will, i'd jump on it.
@CheckingLineCenter in another thread i actually had a chucky for fast swap and not many NYR fans liked it ... i personally think galchenyuk has a better chance of refinding his game in NY and potentially staying, while also taking a paycut from the $4.9 he's making now
@Ikazuchi i think the rangers would want a 1st if they are giving a young forward to a divisional rival who has the opportunity to break out playing with crsoby/malkin as opposed to zibaneajd. no slight on mika, he's just not the level of the other 2 obviously. i'd say if this deal isn't as is or very close in value (ie: not a 2nd round pick instead of a 1st), i think the rangers would have a better offer somewhere else
Juolevi+Madden for Buchnevich?
I’d definitely trade him, like most of the organization. There should be very few untouchables in any organization. But there’s a price and I don’t think you set it based on a two month sample where the player has terrible puck luck. I think that’d be bad asset management. It’s similar to the Kreider discussions. If you want to sign him, it shouldn’t because he’s playing very well right now.
You make these decisions based on the body of work and what you project as the future value. I don’t see any team wanting to give up the price it should take to trade for Buchnevich right now. Most teams aren’t willing to meet high prices when a player isn’t scoring as they have in the past, even if it’s for puck luck reasons.
Over and over...rutherford has clearly stated Pittsburghs first is NOT in play.
Highly doubt pitt spends a first on rental winger. Jake should be back at playoff time. He could be ahead or behind at this point. Pitt has no panic ad they are winning and moving up the standings . Alex G goes first and maybe Shultz for a winger . De Smith perhaps.Do you know Jake personally? You're out to lunch if you think he'll be back this year. It was a major shoulder injury. Even if we make it deep into the playoffs we'd be risking rushing him back and there's not a chance he's in game shape.
You can be 99% sure JR spends that 1st on a high profile winger.
Buchnevich is way better than his point totals suggest, easily our 3rd best forward after Panarin & Mika. Galchenyuk sucks and Pittsburgh’s 1st may very well be 31. And we’re giving our 3rd on top of that? Awful