Bryan Murray needs to step down as GM of the Senators.

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  1. LetsGoBLUES91

    LetsGoBLUES91 Registered User

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    He should just for number 3. But if it makes him happy, I suppose he might as well.

    I think I'd "let him go" or force his retirement if the owner has the heart to do it. I know that's a tough conversation.
     
  2. starling

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    Are they still yet to pay off your jersey design? :laugh:
     
  3. Beukeboom Fan

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    The Sens are 30th out of 30th when it comes to payroll, so listing 3 guys who got paid at market doesn't hold much water IMO.
     
  4. frivolousz21

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    Taking out health when he was born the Nazis still had complete control of Normandy.

    How often are the full time active GMs in their mid 70s
     
  5. NyQuil

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    You can hardly blame Bryan Murray for that.
     
  6. PoutineSp00nZ

    PoutineSp00nZ Electricity is really just organized lightning.

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    The team is still rebuilding. They've completely replaced their core in the past 5 years, have the one of the two youngest teams in the league. They're not in a position to be contenders. That's the point.

    If Melnyk isn't willing to shell out the coin for players like Hoffman, Stone, Ceci and Lazar when they come of age, then we have evidence that he's going to run a perpetual budget team.

    He spent to the cap when the Sens were challenging for a cup. There is no evidence as of yet to suggest that he won't do it again when the time is right. Right now the time is clearly not right.

    Fans have been preaching this budget thing and scapegoating the owner for so long that people seem to think its a fact at this point.
     
  7. NyQuil

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    The last thing you want to do is throw money at guys like Leino and Ehrhoff the way Buffalo did.
     
  8. PoutineSp00nZ

    PoutineSp00nZ Electricity is really just organized lightning.

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    Exactly. A team needs to use free agents to round out a team, not establish the core. Build from within, make some prudent trades and then plug holes with free agents when the team is on the verge.
     
  9. Vesa Awesaka

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    Where should the Sens payroll be? We had prospect who needed spot. I know i wouldnt trade Stone, Hoffman or Boro for most of the UFAs that were available and willing to sign on a non contending team. Then you have Wier who looked like an NHLer and earned his contract before regressing. Cowen should have gotten more AHL time but his injury forced him into being an NHL sooner then he was ready. Lehner is better then most back up and is relatively cheap.
     
  10. Lord Moriarty007

    Lord Moriarty007 Lets go Avs & Bolts!

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    I blame the owners of the Sens more then Murray.
     
  11. HarrisonFord

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    I think I disagree with point 3. Hockey is very clearly his passion, and I would think that being the GM is actually going to have a net positive impact on him. Keeps him driven, keeps his mind off of the cancer, allows him to enjoy doing what he loves doing until he can't anymore.

    :laugh:
     
  12. NyQuil

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    Ultimately, fans pay lip-service to a rebuild but they don't like the look of it when it happens.

    Turfing Spezza was the signal that this team was not interested in competing in the playoffs. You can make all kinds of arguments about "net positive" due to his defensive shortcomings, but ultimately he was a PPG center and team captain who is now plying his trade in Dallas.

    Spezza knew what Alfredsson knew - that this team is too young and may be not talented enough (yet?) in the short-term to compete at an elite level.

    They may make the playoffs anyway, if they play a hell of a lot better, but not with any kind of expectation of an extended run.

    That's what I find so odd about the firing. Must be something I'm not aware of.
     
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    I think he can make up his own mind... if it's his desire to play out his remaining healthy(ish) months doing what he loves to do - and that's managing in the NHL - then that's entirely his call. I don't really imagine the Sens could ever "fire" him in these circumstances, but I'm sure they've had all kinds of internal discussions given those circumstances, and the guys like Dorion and Lee who would be next in line are suitably prepped and the whole thing is well-understood on an organizational level.

    I'd say let Murray be, let them do their thing, they will anyway. They've had ample opportunity to figure it all out.
     
  14. icefists*

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    Murray needed to go years ago,everyone who says Murray's hands are tied,its true that the last couple years they have been,but they haven't always been,and when they were not handcuffed he did not do any better.I think it is time for a new GM,but would like Murray to stick around as his drafting is very good.
     
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    100% agree. If this was a serious franchise they would've fired him after he went through his third coach but alas here we are. Considering his health circumstances the respectable thing would be to ask him to step aside. Funny thing is local media has never ever held him to account. Not now and not prior to his illness. Only in Ottawa can a guy run through 4 coaches he handpicked himself and never get questioned about his accountability for them.
     
  16. NyQuil

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    I was wondering which side of the fence you would fall on in this thread.
     
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    I have a feeling he'll retire at the end of the season, I think will see Shero and Bylsma coming in for 2015-2016.
     
  18. nwaZ*

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    Not a fan of walking dead's having such instrumental roles in an organization. I don't understand why they're willing to take on such a stressful part. From either side.
     
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    You get it. If there's anything that has been consistent in Ottawa since 2007 it's Murray throwing people under the bus and maintaining 100% immunity despite it.
     
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    He's a good GM imo, most of his big "mistakes" have been out of his hands. He's always drafting quality players, and actually tries to address his teams problems without taking unnecessary risks. I disagreed with the firing yesterday, but I don't think it was his decision.
     
  21. Nac Mac Feegle

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    Actually, Dorion is already doing a lot of the day-to-day GMs work.

    And Melynk is absolutely the guy to point fingers at for the problems on this team. Sure, you will have a smaller payroll when you have a bunch of kids, but if you want the kids to develop properly, you need to open up the wallet and pay for some quality vets. Once the kids have matured, the vets can be traded (or their contracts expire) and you free up the cash for the new core. The "low payroll because of the kids" is not an excuse.

    Melynk is making a nice profit with this team. Sadly, he is not reinvesting it on the ice.
     
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    So true and so sad.
     
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    Give it a few more months.
     
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    Hockey is pretty much the only thing Murray has left in his life. If he steps away I doubt he makes is much past Xmas. His whole life has been hockey, and it will be hockey until the unfortunate day he passes away. He needs his job to help him right now more then ever.
     
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    I think he's done a fine job, with the constraints he has had.

    It may sound ghoulish and indelicate, but I hope the search is on, for his replacement.
    Very tough. not just because of health, but because of someone who has done so well, with so little.
     
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