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Man this thread took off the past 12 plus hours :laugh:

Not sure if its already been mentioned. If so my bad- But I'd be shocked if Pan man isnt moved by the deadline. Doubt CBJ is willing to risk it ala JT91
 

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This Bruins team has no rights to call anyone soft. The difference between Toronto and Boston is the skilled part. Leafs soft and skilled, Bruins soft and very limited skill. Danton Heinen, Donato, JFK, et al may be soft but the skill they are suppose to have is not resulting in points or helping them win. I'll take Hyman-Kadri-Brown over Heinen-JFK-Donato any day of the week.

What do you think of Frederic?
 

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Is it me or is this Muzzin trade not a big deal to me. They gave up no roster but did give up a first for him. Bruins don’t want to give up s first for anyone shot of an impact player. Is Muzzin an impact player? This draft is pretty good so I’m told. This move was to be expected but it’s not a game changer for the leafs. I’m not taking away anything from Muzzin either, I like him as a player.
It's just you. Muzzin was the best D in LA and that defense has Doughty on it. He's been the #2 on a Cup winner, playing 23+ a night. He can defend, move the puck, play special teams... He's not an "all-star" but he's one of the better defensemen in the league- and he's exactly what the Leafs needed.
 

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What do you think of Frederic?
Haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion. From what I have heard he sounds like a very solid option to add some size, skill and grit.Would love for him to turn into 75% of a young Backes. But that isn't going to be this year.

Of the numerous complaints I have against Donny hockey his cavalier attitude this off season that all of the holes on the team would be filled by prospects is one of the biggest. I fear he will go into next year expecting Studnicka or Frederic to take the 3C spot as he did this year.

Heinen, Donato and JFK all look like very limited NHL players, fringe player or D specialists at best. They are three of the softest players to ever wear a Bruins uniform. I'm not talking about initiating contact or fighting I'm talking about forechecking, using their bodies to get space, winning board battles, on many nights just giving a damn. They all seem uninterested and not engaged on too many nights. All of them need to get bigger and stronger, which is suppose to be the argument for college players, that they have time to train and be more physically ready to compete. These three are not.
 
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Man this thread took off the past 12 plus hours :laugh:

Not sure if its already been mentioned. If so my bad- But I'd be shocked if Pan man isnt moved by the deadline. Doubt CBJ is willing to risk it ala JT91


I disagree, they keep him as an own rental and worry about it after the season. They are not exactly playing bad hockey. They could make it past the first round this year.
 

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I have a healthy Bruins beating a soft skilled Leafs in 5.

Maybe the Leafs can get it to 6?

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Is it me or is this Muzzin trade not a big deal to me. They gave up no roster but did give up a first for him. Bruins don’t want to give up s first for anyone shot of an impact player. Is Muzzin an impact player? This draft is pretty good so I’m told. This move was to be expected but it’s not a game changer for the leafs. I’m not taking away anything from Muzzin either, I like him as a player.

leafs picked up a top 4 dman with size for a 1st and few B rated prospects. good pick up. they filled a huge need. and i dont think they are finished yet. they will add a right dman with a 2nd and a better prospect.
 
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It's just you. Muzzin was the best D in LA and that defense has Doughty on it. He's been the #2 on a Cup winner, playing 23+ a night. He can defend, move the puck, play special teams... He's not an "all-star" but he's one of the better defensemen in the league- and he's exactly what the Leafs needed.
He really is just what Toronto needed, he allows the Leafs to slot their D better and brings many of the missing elements they had on D. Also I do not think they are done yet, they know there will have to be changes this off season due to the cap and I would expect one more solid D and Simmonds added to them.

If the Bruins play them right now Toronto wins in 5, with Rask it may go 7 because the are Tuuka's anti-Canadiens, he seems to own them.
 
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I disagree, they keep him as an own rental and worry about it after the season. They are not exactly playing bad hockey. They could make it past the first round this year.
And I disagree with that, respectfully (not insultingly :sarcasm:)-

If they weren't already having issues with retaining their starting goaltender I would be more inclined to agree.

But there's a chance they lose their most skilled forward AND goaltender this off-season.
 

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I disagree, they keep him as an own rental and worry about it after the season. They are not exactly playing bad hockey. They could make it past the first round this year.

It is funny that people can look at it from Boston and think a team with a better record than the Bruins should blow it up and trade Panarin here, where Boston has no more chance of resigning Panarin than Colombus
 

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And I disagree with that, respectfully (not insultingly :sarcasm:)-

If they weren't already having issues with retaining their starting goaltender I would be more inclined to agree.

But there's a chance they lose their most skilled forward AND goaltender this off-season.

Thats a pretty dangerous situation for a franchise to be in. I can see them making a deal to try and avoid a gutting of the team. They do not have replacements for those two, getting them from outside would be wise. But every GM knows the situation there and is going to toss them anchors, not life preservers. The deals they get could be terrible enough that they just keep them both and try and work it out off the ice.

I personally don't think they will get value for either or both, Everyone knows what's going on there and the contracts of those two are not small.
 
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It is funny that people can look at it from Boston and think a team with a better record than the Bruins should blow it up and trade Panarin here, where Boston has no more chance of resigning Panarin than Colombus
I don't consider it if they weren't already having issues with Bobo.

There's a chance they let both walk this offseason. Where does this leave them next year? And the year after?

Obviously the goal every year is to WIN. But losing those two this off season for nothing could set them back quite a bit. And do they believe they have the team this year to go all in with?

AM made a good point that other teams realize CBJ is in a bind. So maybe they wont get the ransom they should for either or both.
 

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Since Game 7 the Leafs have added John Tavares and Jake Muzzin. And honestly, I'd be shocked if they don't add a McQuaid or Gudas (on the cheap) by deadline day.

So what do the Bruins need to do at the deadline to make sure they stay ahead of them? I mean, we all know they need a 3c and top6 RW, but has the bar just been raised on the caliber of player we need to go after?

What two players would match or trump the Leafs moves?
 

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I don't consider it if they weren't already having issues with Bobo.

There's a chance they let both walk this offseason. Where does this leave them next year? And the year after?

Obviously the goal every year is to WIN. But losing those two this off season for nothing could set them back quite a bit. And do they believe they have the team this year to go all in with?

AM made a good point that other teams realize CBJ is in a bind. So maybe they wont get the ransom they should for either or both.

2019 UFA Goaltenders for this summer:
Mike Smith, Jimmy Howard, Pekka Rinne, Semyon Varlamov, Cam Talbot, Ryan Miller

Woof. Rinne will either stay in Nashville or retire. Smith looks like he needs to retire. Howard still can play, but if I am a GM I am nervous about making him my #1. Varlamov is an option, Talbot is buyer beware, Miller is 39....

2019 NHL Free Agents Tracker

That list is pretty unspectacular. Your right, they have to replace Bob via trade unless they think Korpisalo can seriously step up and take over.
 
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2019 UFA Goaltenders for this summer:
Mike Smith, Jimmy Howard, Pekka Rinne, Semyon Varlamov, Cam Talbot, Ryan Miller

Woof. Rinne will either stay in Nashville or retire. Smith looks like he needs to retire. Howard still can play, but if I am a GM I am nervous about making him my #1. Varlamov is an option, Talbot is buyer beware, Miller is 39....

2019 NHL Free Agents Tracker

That list is pretty unspectacular. Your right, they have to replace Bob via trade unless they think Korpisalo can seriously step up and take over.
Rinne already resigned
 

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He really is just what Toronto needed, he allows the Leafs to slot their D better and brings many of the missing elements they had on D. Also I do not think they are done yet, they know there will have to be changes this off season due to the cap and I would expect one more solid D and Simmonds added to them.

If the Bruins play them right now Toronto wins in 5, with Rask it may go 7 because the are Tuuka's anti-Canadiens, he seems to own them.

I agree, Muzzin is a good fit and that they've got the edge on us right now (along with TB and WAS). I also agree that they're not done, but I don't think they have assets to get Simmonds now. Muzzin was their big move. I think they'll make one or two more minor moves, like adding McQuaid or Gudas and maybe a physical veteran 4th liner.

If they could get VAN to retain on Jay Beagle that would be a really good move for them. He's one of the few guys in the league that owns Bergeron at the dot.
 

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Since Game 7 the Leafs have added John Tavares and Jake Muzzin. And honestly, I'd be shocked if they don't add a McQuaid or Gudas (on the cheap) by deadline day.

So what do the Bruins need to do at the deadline to make sure they stay ahead of them? I mean, we all know they need a 3c and top6 RW, but has the bar just been raised on the caliber of player we need to go after?

What two players would match or trump the Leafs moves?

Something like Schenn+ Williams would look good right about now.

But your 1st line is really something why I don't get some of the disrespect towards Toronto, they've been close to each other for some time and the other team has done 2 major moves since last playoffs.
 

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I am thinking Columbus and Ottawa make good trade partners.....on paper. Ottawa could move Anderson, who has been rumored to be wanting new scenery, and Stone or Duchene whoever does not resign. There are a lot of details in any deal there that need to be fleshed out, but I can see a fit.

Panarin would hate Ottawa IMO, but it would inject some excitement into a team that is a dead horse due to its owner. The elephant in the room, of course, is if Melnyk wants to pay for Panarin and Bob. But the cost would be similar to re-signing Duchene and Stone, so its possible.

PS: I am assuming that everyone gets a contract in the trade. No rentals.
 

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Since Game 7 the Leafs have added John Tavares and Jake Muzzin. And honestly, I'd be shocked if they don't add a McQuaid or Gudas (on the cheap) by deadline day.

So what do the Bruins need to do at the deadline to make sure they stay ahead of them? I mean, we all know they need a 3c and top6 RW, but has the bar just been raised on the caliber of player we need to go after?

What two players would match or trump the Leafs moves?
There are not any, there is not a Tavares like player rumored to be available this deadline, maybe Stone if he becomes available and you would then need to add the equivalent of Muzzin (that ain't Moore) so for the Bruins that would be a 3c that can score and anchor a good third line. Schenn is the first name that comes to mind or you look at the 2RW and that can be filled with Anderson (I don't think available) Ferland (ideally a 3RW), Simmonds, or a lessor player in Toffoli or Saad. Rentals don't work unless it's Panarin not William's or Vanek's.

People can hate the Leafs all they want, I can't stand the little analytic driven team, in many ways they are everything I hate about hockey from management to coaching to a set of soft turn the other cheek players, but the reality is they are better than the Bruins in pretty much every way except defensive depth.
 

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Something like Schenn+ Williams would look good right about now.

But your 1st line is really something why I don't get some of the disrespect towards Toronto, they've been close to each other for some time and the other team has done 2 major moves since last playoffs.

What about Heinen for Ferland and then Grz, top prospect, 2nd or 3rd for Schenn?

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
DeBrusk - Krejci - Schenn
Ferland - Frederic - Cehlarik
Kuraly - Backes - Wagner
 

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Since Game 7 the Leafs have added John Tavares and Jake Muzzin. And honestly, I'd be shocked if they don't add a McQuaid or Gudas (on the cheap) by deadline day.

So what do the Bruins need to do at the deadline to make sure they stay ahead of them? I mean, we all know they need a 3c and top6 RW, but has the bar just been raised on the caliber of player we need to go after?

What two players would match or trump the Leafs moves?

They need a #2C to play #3C and scoring winger (defense and goaltending are not a problem). I'd say Schenn and Stone, but I don't think we have enough assets to get it done.
 

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What about Heinen for Ferland and then Grz, top prospect, 2nd or 3rd for Schenn?

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
DeBrusk - Krejci - Schenn
Ferland - Frederic - Cehlarik
Kuraly - Backes - Wagner

I like that line-up. But you are betting the farm on that 3rd line not getting victimized.

Personally, I am wary of Ferland. He wants big money and it is rumored Carolina was a first for him. I expect a bidding war for his services since he seems like a good playoff push fit for any team. The price could get crazy. On the other hand, I don't want Tampa, Washington, Toronto, or any other team we might face this postseason getting him either.
 
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