Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals III

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RussellmaniaKW

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Well the cost would go up, and do we really want Simmonds signed long term here at 6-6.5M + on top of Backes being here AND Beleskey still on the books?
I don't think Beleskey should prevent the Bruins from making a deal if they have the space & the deal makes sense. Seems like self-defeating logic.

With that said, I would definitely be more comfortable with the idea if they could move Backes.
 

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I don't think Beleskey should prevent the Bruins from making a deal if they have the space & the deal makes sense. Seems like self-defeating logic.

With that said, I would definitely be more comfortable with the idea if they could move Backes.

If the Bruins could rid themselves of the Backes contract, I would welcome Simmonds. But I don't see that happening, and with Simmonds playing a similar style of play, having hard miles on that body, and entering his 30's, it scares me. He'll also get more than 6M and I'd say longer term as well.
 

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You don't need to have played the game at a high level, just a groovy pair of glasses.

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Well, yes. That is a huge factor too :nod:
 
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What is with the bad faith arguments on here? Christ.

I'm not saying it should be "easier" to be a GM or that anyone can do it. Read what I wrote. I'm saying that for a long time it was next to impossible unless you had been a player or related to a player. Just like how other leagues like the NBA and MLB have had leaders who never played the game come in and be successful, we'll start to see that trend in hockey, too. Chayka and Dubas are steps towards that, even though still have ties to the game (less so than others).

Who in the NBA and MLB have gotten high profile jobs without relevant experience?
 

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I think its going to be tough to make significant trades without serious salary cap implications. Backes isn't going anywhere and I doubt big Z will take less then the 6.5 he will make this year. With RFA's wanting a raise I just don't see how they will be able to take significant salary that goes into next year
 
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Would you do it if the deal included Simmonds signing an extension?

I'd strongly consider it. I think he'd be a great fit here and am not convinced that he is slowing down yet.
I'd love Simmons, but Philly's one point out of a playoff spot right now. I don't know why'd they would be selling.
 

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Really?

DeBrincat (RS) - Is off to a great start, seems like a guy they really like
Schmaltz (RS) - Plays center so that doesn't affect the need for Heinen
Kahun (LS) - Still a bit of an unknown as this is his first year in NA

I mean I count two good young wingers on that team. Maybe there are some guys in the system coming, but I would think Heinen would be a guy they'd be interested in.
Oh no Heinen is a guy they would probably like but they have nothing in terms of good young defenseman.
 

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Wayne Simmonds just turned 30.

If you can sign him for 2-3 years, even better.
I like Simmonds a lot and I think he would be a great choice to put next to Krejci but I would think he probably looking at least 6 years at 6 or 7 million per, wouldn’t you think.
 

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I would love Simmonds for 2 or 3 years but I'm guessing he comes in around 7M and I don't see how Bruins manage that cap next year.
 

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Who in the NBA and MLB have gotten high profile jobs without relevant experience?

David Stearns, AJ Preller, Rick Hahn, Matthew Silverman,Farhan Zaidi
are just a few that I can think of off the top of my head who never played. There's probably more, too. And there are a ton of other GMs who never played past college. I'm not as well versed in the NBA Daryl Morey is one who never played. I'm sure with a quick google search there would be others. Because that's the direction those leagues are heading in.

And before we go down another strawman rabbithole, I'm not saying that former players *can't* be good GMs. Yzerman is proof of that. It's just a position that is evolving and requires a different skillset than it used to when you could make a big, franchise-altering trade over a couple of beers.
 

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Wayne Simmonds just turned 30.

If you can sign him for 2-3 years, even better.

Yeah, 30. Right before he's likely about to hit the steep decline. Good luck signing him to a short term deal. That's just not how things work (for now).
 
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I think its going to be tough to make significant trades without serious salary cap implications. Backes isn't going anywhere and I doubt big Z will take less then the 6.5 he will make this year. With RFA's wanting a raise I just don't see how they will be able to take significant salary that goes into next year
Can you post the link where Chara gets $6.5 this year
 

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Players get demoted. Kyle Connor got demoted his rookie season after a mediocre 20 game start. I doubt that hurt his value when it happened.

Of course it happens. I’d be surprised if it had no effect on a player’s trade value, though. Outside of a rehab stint.
I guess that’s something nearly impossible to gauge, though.
 

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Can you post the link where Chara gets $6.5 this year
I'm far from a salary cap guru but I thought he had a salary of 5M and bonus to get him to 6.5 or so.

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just checked and found this but not sure if its accurate.
2018-19NMC$5,000,000$6,750,000$1,750,000$0$5,000,000$5,000,000$5,000,000
TOTAL $5,000,000$6,750,000$1,750,000$0$5,000,000$5,000,000$5,000,000
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
P. BONUS DETAILS: Games Played Bonus: $1,250,000 (10 gms) + Playoff Qualification Bonus: $250,000 (club qualifies for the playoffs) + Stanley Cup Bonus: $250,000 (club wins the Stanley Cup)
CLAUSE SOURCE: CapFriendly
 

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David Stearns, AJ Preller, Rick Hahn, Matthew Silverman,Farhan Zaidi
are just a few that I can think of off the top of my head who never played. There's probably more, too. And there are a ton of other GMs who never played past college. I'm not as well versed in the NBA Daryl Morey is one who never played. I'm sure with a quick google search there would be others. Because that's the direction those leagues are heading in.

And before we go down another strawman rabbithole, I'm not saying that former players *can't* be good GMs. Yzerman is proof of that. It's just a position that is evolving and requires a different skillset than it used to when you could make a big, franchise-altering trade over a couple of beers.

Are you basing your argument that the NHL overvalues ex-players becoming GMs as opposed to other leagues?
 

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I'm far from a salary cap guru but I thought he had a salary of 5M and bonus to get him to 6.5 or so.

edit.
just checked and found this but not sure if its accurate.
2018-19NMC$5,000,000$6,750,000$1,750,000$0$5,000,000$5,000,000$5,000,000
TOTAL$5,000,000$6,750,000$1,750,000$0$5,000,000$5,000,000$5,000,000
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
P. BONUS DETAILS: Games Played Bonus: $1,250,000 (10 gms) + Playoff Qualification Bonus: $250,000 (club qualifies for the playoffs) + Stanley Cup Bonus: $250,000 (club wins the Stanley Cup)
CLAUSE SOURCE: CapFriendly
Thanks
 

DKH

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I take back my initial comment about him making 6.5 and now hope he makes 6.75 this year.
Ha ha

It seemed to ring a bell he was getting Marchand Bergeron Krejci money I wasn’t sure how
 

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Are you basing your argument that the NHL overvalues ex-players becoming GMs as opposed to other leagues?

No. My throwaway comment about the NHL being an Old Boys Club was somehow controversial so all of this was just in support of the likelihood that the NHL will eventually move away from only hiring former players.

The rest of my argument is not related, though I can see if the league starts hiring more people with economics degrees or people from the finance sector that we start to see less emphasis on that stuff.
 
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Alberta_OReilly_Fan

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I'm far from a salary cap guru but I thought he had a salary of 5M and bonus to get him to 6.5 or so.

edit.
just checked and found this but not sure if its accurate.
2018-19NMC$5,000,000$6,750,000$1,750,000$0$5,000,000$5,000,000$5,000,000
TOTAL$5,000,000$6,750,000$1,750,000$0$5,000,000$5,000,000$5,000,000
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
P. BONUS DETAILS: Games Played Bonus: $1,250,000 (10 gms) + Playoff Qualification Bonus: $250,000 (club qualifies for the playoffs) + Stanley Cup Bonus: $250,000 (club wins the Stanley Cup)
CLAUSE SOURCE: CapFriendly

goes to show the cap is a tricky thing for all of us {maybe not dom}

ive been arguing that the bonus situation must be taken into account when proposing to make deals but I didn't realize chara has already earned 1.25 million of his bonus. has that been added into cap friendly calculations already or is it money off the books that we need to figure ourselves?

maybe dom can help us with that question... but cap friendly has a category of potential bonuses and we have a lot of exposure there. if everyone earns their bonus we will be over our cap before the end of the season. our room isn't that great compared to our exposure
 
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