Confirmed with Link: Bruins sign John Moore 5 years 2.75 aav

[GloryDaze4877]

See, for me, rather than trying to bring back a guy like Nash at 2m+ or signing local Zac Rinaldo at all, I think they'd be best served packaging some of those guys and those contracts and consolidating.

My estimation is that the Bruins should have made zero 7/1 signings and 3 hockey trades.

Still time for the latter though.

Backes, 1 of Heinen/DeBrusk, 1 of Bjork/Donato, 1 of Krug/Gryz, and 1 of McQuaid/K. Miller would not be on the roster come training camp.

I'd spend less time (and cap space) worrying about 4L and 4Rd in July and more worried about why my forward lines looked like a donut in the playoffs.

I’m not sure I understand this rationale? Why would you be giving up one of Heinen/DeBrusk, or Bjork/Donato if you think they can be legit Top 6/9 players, particularly when one of the guys you are giving up just scored 40+ as a rookie.

Unless I’m getting a cost-controlled impact guy, I’m not trading affordable home grown talent. Those types of players are the lifeblood of a franchise in a Cap league.

I would definitely move one of McQ/Miller.

 

[BiggioRainesHOF]

I’m not sure I understand this rationale? Why would you be giving up one of Heinen/DeBrusk, or Bjork/Donato if you think they can be legit Top 6/9 players, particularly when one of the guys you are giving up just scored 40+ as a rookie.

Unless I’m getting a cost-controlled impact guy, I’m not trading affordable home grown talent. Those types of players are the lifeblood of a franchise in a Cap league.

I would definitely move one of McQ/Miller.

That’s just it, I don’t think all 4 will develop into impact top 6/9 here. Especially if Krejci declines and they don’t solve the 3c. I think 2 of the 4 will, which is why I’d prefer to bring in a winger on each side that is in the 24-27 age bracket to diversify my top 9 somewhat.

 

[BruinDust]

so I guess we don't see Zboril, Lauzon or Vaakanainen this year?

I'm sorry but I really just don't get their obsession with rolling 8 D. Torey Krug broke into the NHL because the Bruins in 2013 had lots of injuries on the backend and called up kids to fill the gaps. Having 7 bonafide NHL D is one thing, but having an 8th feels like it just makes it nearly impossible for any defensive prospects to see NHL ice.

When Torey Krug broke in, he had 8 D-men ahead of him at the time

Chara - Seidenberg
Ference - Boychuk
Redden - McQuaid
Bartkowski - Hamilton

They lost Ference, Redden, and Seidenberg, and it was only when the 3rd guy went down Krug got his shot and made the most of it.

If they lose 2 RD, Cody Goloubef is likely called up before any of Lauzon, Zboril, Vaak.

Posters here are going to need to come to grips with the fact that these 3 guys aren't ready yet. 2 are 2nd year pros, one is a 1st year. Rushing these guys when there is absolutely no need is foolish. I'm going to trust Sweeney on this one and say he's making a sound decision assembling a solid group of 8 NHL caliber D and let the young LD continue to work and develop in the AHL.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

That’s just it, I don’t think all 4 will develop into impact top 6/9 here. Especially if Krejci declines and they don’t solve the 3c. I think 2 of the 4 will, which is why I’d prefer to bring in a winger on each side that is in the 24-27 age bracket to diversify my top 9 somewhat.

You could be right.

Better make sure you trade the two that aren’t going to be Top 6/9 guys.

Everyone knows how I feel about Heinen. If I had to rate the four, it would be:

Heinen (because of his versatility)
DeBrusk
Donato
Bjork

Not trading the Top 3 of those 4.

 

[bearcountry17]

They better get a good read on him as the season goes. On every other team the center makes the wingers better, but for some reason everyone *****es about his wingers holding him up. 7.25 cap number you better make everyone better. This is it for him as far as I'm concerned. If he can't up the emotion/effort/production then find a sucker who still considers him a "1A" . I'd rather go down in flames with someone else playing two C then to see the same unproductive Krejci when it counts. And I say this because I know what he's capable of, he was good vs Toronto.

I start this off by saying I absolutely love Jake Debrusk. But do you think he was a 1st line LWer last season. Because I don’t . Spooner a top line RWer? Hell no. But, last season, both of those guys PPG with Krejci were top 30 in the league for their position according to NHL.com. But hey, rabble rabble, 7.25, rabble rabble, not Bergeron rabble rabble, what a bum.

 

[ODAAT]

When Torey Krug broke in, he had 8 D-men ahead of him at the time

Chara - Seidenberg
Ference - Boychuk
Redden - McQuaid
Bartkowski - Hamilton

They lost Ference, Redden, and Seidenberg, and it was only when the 3rd guy went down Krug got his shot and made the most of it.

If they lose 2 RD, Cody Goloubef is likely called up before any of Lauzon, Zboril, Vaak.

Posters here are going to need to come to grips with the fact that these 3 guys aren't ready yet. 2 are 2nd year pros, one is a 1st year. Rushing these guys when there is absolutely no need is foolish. I'm going to trust Sweeney on this one and say he's making a sound decision assembling a solid group of 8 NHL caliber D and let the young LD continue to work and develop in the AHL.

Great post friend, especially when discussing D-men and time often required to be truly ready

 

[bolt thrower]

Good addition by Sweeney but I wonder if someone gets dealt, hoping it's not Krug. Curious to see what our d pairs will look like in October. Maybe Zboril will make some rumour during the preseason, which would force Sweeney to deal someone.

 

[KnightofBoston]

I start this off by saying I absolutely love Jake Debrusk. But do you think he was a 1st line LWer last season. Because I don’t . Spooner a top line RWer? Hell no. But, last season, both of those guys PPG with Krejci were top 30 in the league for their position according to NHL.com. But hey, rabble rabble, 7.25, rabble rabble, not Bergeron rabble rabble, what a bum.

Uhhh, does he need to be? We only have the best left wing in the league (arguably second after Ovi) but in any case, based on the eye test, yea, DeBrusk was as good as any first line left winger when he needed to be. He plays a complete game. What a pick. He only needs to be second line good and he’s only going to get better

 

[LouJersey]

I start this off by saying I absolutely love Jake Debrusk. But do you think he was a 1st line LWer last season. Because I don’t . Spooner a top line RWer? Hell no. But, last season, both of those guys PPG with Krejci were top 30 in the league for their position according to NHL.com. But hey, rabble rabble, 7.25, rabble rabble, not Bergeron rabble rabble, what a bum.

Krejci without a doubt should have had more than 44 points for the line mates he had last season especially with about 66% of his starts in the o-zone. his TB series was putrid and he should be embarrassed. 5-1-1-2 -4 . When the checking/hitting got more intense, and the defense far more difficult, Krejci absolutely vanished.

 

[bearcountry17]

Uhhh, does he need to be? We only have the best left wing in the league (arguably second after Ovi) but in any case, based on the eye test, yea, DeBrusk was as good as any first line left winger when he needed to be. He plays a complete game. What a pick. He only needs to be second line good and he’s only going to get better

That post wasn’t about Debrusk. I think he can be a 1st line wing as soon as next year and is a personal favorite. I’ve been defending him since I saw him play in his draft+1 year, the posts are there in Debrusks thread. My post was about the fact the a rookie in Jake Debrusk(who shouldn’t be expected to be a top 6 guy right off the bat) and a skilled but soft,undersized, left shot, pp specialist center masquerading as a RW in Spooner,both produced like fringe top line guys with Krejci. Therefore I find it strange to say that Krejci can’t elevate his line mates when he did so last year.

 

[BruinsNetwork]

Some have their reserves about the term and what the NJD board/reddit says, but I like the deal.

The Bruins add a 27-year-old, 6’2” mobile-defender for just $2.75m per year. Some say that he can’t defend, but I’m not sure he was utilized properly in New Jersey.

He skates well and moves his feet to close the gaps between himself and opposing players. He can distribute the puck and move it upwards and out of the zone.

Under the guidance of Cassidy & Dean, and playing under Chara, I really think he’s going to prove his worth here.

I know he’s 27-years-old and his “development” stage is over, but that doesn’t mean he can’t make adjustments and flourish in a different system. Just look at how much Kevan Miller has improved under Cassidy.

At the end of the day, the Bruins have much-needed depth and upside in Moore locked up long-term. Moore has the “modern” tools that teams are seeking for the blue line. It’s a good deal and very cheap.

 

[ON3M4N]

Some have their reserves about the term and what the NJD board/reddit says, but I like the deal.

The Bruins add a 27-year-old, 6’2” mobile-defender for just $2.75m per year. Some say that he can’t defend, but I’m not sure he was utilized properly in New Jersey.

He skates well and moves his feet to close the gaps between himself and opposing players. He can distribute the puck and move it upwards and out of the zone.

Under the guidance of Cassidy & Dean, and playing under Chara, I really think he’s going to prove his worth here.

I know he’s 27-years-old and his “development” stage is over, but that doesn’t mean he can’t make adjustments and flourish in a different system. Just look at how much Kevan Miller has improved under Cassidy.

At the end of the day, the Bruins have much-needed depth and upside in Moore locked up long-term. Moore has the “modern” tools that teams are seeking for the blue line. It’s a good deal and very cheap.

I'm really interested to see what Moore does under this coaching staff. I feel like since coming in, this staff has been able to put guys in situations to succeed and allowed them to improve their game or explore parts of their game they didn't use much before. I think Miller is a great example as you pointed out.

Do you see Moore as more of a 2nd pairing or 3rd pairing guy (if Krug is still here)

 

[BruinsNetwork]

I'm really interested to see what Moore does under this coaching staff. I feel like since coming in, this staff has been able to put guys in situations to succeed and allowed them to improve their game or explore parts of their game they didn't use much before. I think Miller is a great example as you pointed out.

Do you see Moore as more of a 2nd pairing or 3rd pairing guy (if Krug is still here)

Don’t know what I see him as, honestly. I think under the right circumstances he can be a solid second-pairing defender.

The Krug & Carlo pairing wasn’t meshing well for a while during he regular season last year, so maybe:

Chara-McAvoy
Moore-Carlo
Krug-Miller

Grzelcyk-McQuaid.

However, there’s 8-defenders on the roster and I can’t see them keeping someone as talented & young as Grzelcyk on the bench. Someone will be moved, if you ask me. Also, before people twist my words, I don’t have Krug on the third-pair here due to lack of capability— rather, it’s about chemistry and meshing well.

Carlo might prove to be what Moore needs to take his game to that next level. Either way, I assume Cassidy will try out Krug, Grzelcyk & Moore in multiple capacities during training camp and the regular season.

At the end of the day, I expect a trade to be made in the near future though. Maybe it’s not until the Bruins see what they have in everyone during camp, but at some point trades will have to be made.

 

[BruinDust]

Don’t know what I see him as, honestly. I think under the right circumstances he can be a solid second-pairing defender.

The Krug & Carlo pairing wasn’t meshing well for a while during he regular season last year, so maybe:

Chara-McAvoy
Moore-Carlo
Krug-Miller

Grzelcyk-McQuaid.

However, there’s 8-defenders on the roster and I can’t see them keeping someone as talented & young as Grzelcyk on the bench. Someone will be moved, if you ask me. Also, before people twist my words, I don’t have Krug on the third-pair here due to lack of capability— rather, it’s about chemistry and meshing well.

Carlo might prove to be what Moore needs to take his game to that next level. Either way, I assume Cassidy will try out Krug, Grzelcyk & Moore in multiple capacities during training camp and the regular season.

At the end of the day, I expect a trade to be made in the near future though. Maybe it’s not until the Bruins see what they have in everyone during camp, but at some point trades will have to be made.

I think this is exactly where this is going. They'll go into camp and the season with 8 guys and see how it goes. If they see an area of weakness that needs to be addressed they can take from their area of strength (NHL caliber D-men) in order to address it.

To me, the group of 6 that are the everyday players are likely the 6 you have listed and in those exact pairings. I don't really see how else it would make sense if the objective is to take some of the defensive load off Chara.

 

[DKH]

I have been very impressed with him after 10 games - keeping it simple but picking spots here and there

I’ll tskr 5 years likt these first 10 games

 

[Maine Fan]

Devils fan here: I follow the Bruins because they are my second favorite team.

I am impressed how well they are doing coming off the playoffs of last season.

You got John Moore in the off season from the Devils and signed him for 5 years. He was weak on defense with the Devils but could score especially in needed times like OT. I am surprised how little he is being played so far.

Continued success.

Go Devils

 

[DominicT]

This probably deserves it's own thread, but alas, I'll put it here because there is an interesting stat involving Moore.

The Bruins put more stalk into advanced stats then most of us think. So this may interest some of you:

Unsurprisingly, David Pastrnak, Patrice Bergeron, Brad Marchand, and Jake DeBrusk are all in the top five, as they produce shots frequently from everywhere. However, Joakim Nordstrom has produced quite well from transition for the Bruins. Although his primary shot contributions per hour fall in the middle of the pack for the Bruins, 40.5% of his primary shot contributions have come from transition. Now that Ryan Donato is with the Providence Bruins, that leads the Boston Bruins, with the next highest being David Pastrnak at 35.5%.

Primary shot contributions from transition misses a lot of context. The defensemen come to the bottom of the list, when in reality, they are probably the most important part of transitioning the puck up ice. If we look at who starts the transition, that could also be valuable.

Even though John Moore has the skill set to be an efficient puck mover, most of the data suggested he wasn’t over the last couple of seasons. However, at least at the moment, the Bruins seem to be utilizing Moore a lot better as he has been terrific at starting transition plays this season.

A look at how the Bruins are creating offense from transition play

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Went to the game last night first of the year and sat in good seats center ice where you pick up things you don't on TV.

This dude is AWESOME. Great skater, doesn't fight the puck, sound positioning. Carlo is an absolute beast as well. Neither are stars in the opponents end but those two looked like our best D men to me by some ways.

What a great signing he can eat minutes and bounce around the lineup didn't have any issues playing on the right. I don't want to go too far and suggest Norris's but I think we have a guy who can help fill the eventual void Big Z retiring will create and we pay him peanuts.

 

[UConn126]

Was weary of this signing when it was announced, but John's play has won me over. Great addition to the blue line and will bring some veteran stability over the next few years as we transition in the up coming crop of young defensemen. (Lauzon, Urho, and Zboril all knocking on that left side door).

 

[compan]

Was weary of this signing when it was announced, but John's play has won me over. Great addition to the blue line and will bring some veteran stability over the next few years as we transition in the up coming crop of young defensemen. (Lauzon, Urho, and Zboril all knocking on that left side door).

Same. The term honestly still confuses me, but I'm sure it was needed to get the $2.75m. He is definitely playing above what they signed him for though which is awesome. Logged the most minutes last night too at 25.

 

[GlenFeatherstone]

Love the fact he looks as comfortable on the right side as he does the left. Gives us great flexibility.

 

[BruinsBtn]

This guy is good. Makes up for the Wagner signing.

 

[DKH]

Better then I expected

They ironed out his cowboy

 

[Sheppy]

He's a quietly solid... if that makes sense.

I've been pretty impressed with him.