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Sorry mod's, a question that's OT, not to derail the conversation but:
Just curious, you say that there's very little money in hockey there? Do you know what the players make? Until fairly recently, NHL players had to hold other jobs (off season) to survive.

My understanding is at most the players get a small nominal match fee, and the costs of travel to play away games in other cities are covered by their teams, and that's about it. Each team is allowed to have a couple of 'imports', who usually tend to be minor league players from the likes of Sweden, Canada and the US looking for some extra experience, and I think those guys get a small payment. To help cover costs and put a little more financial incentive into the game, most players are encouraged to find personal sponsors where possible.

Basically it's a glorified amateur league with some of the aspects of a professional one. Once you account for the costs of equipment, sports-related nutrition, medical treatment for injuries and the need to travel to and from training and games, I would say most guys actually make a net loss to play. But they do it for the love of the game, and with the season having been cancelled this year I really hope it's able to return in 2021.
 

Gordoff

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I would say players didnt need second jobs to survive here in the NHL since the late 1970's...

seems to me I remember the minimum salary in early 1980's to be like 70 000... even if im off a bit with my memory thats equivalent to around 210 000 in todays inflation.

The WHA which started in the early 1970s really changed the Pay structure for the NHL... guy's who couldnt get decent contracts in the NHL jumped to the new rival league. Soon the NHL was forced to compete. By the time the dust settled, Wayne Gretzky had his 20 year 20 million dollar deal with Peter Puck and things would never be the same again. WHA actually is credited with awarding the first million dollar contract when they lured Bobby Hull to Winnipeg of all places.

The guys in the 1970s never made the type of money that let them retire comfortably to mansion living but they were earning quite a lot of money compared to regular americans and more than enough to live on a single income
I know this.
 

Gordoff

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My understanding is at most the players get a small nominal match fee, and the costs of travel to play away games in other cities are covered by their teams, and that's about it. Each team is allowed to have a couple of 'imports', who usually tend to be minor league players from the likes of Sweden, Canada and the US looking for some extra experience, and I think those guys get a small payment. To help cover costs and put a little more financial incentive into the game, most players are encouraged to find personal sponsors where possible.

Basically it's a glorified amateur league with some of the aspects of a professional one. Once you account for the costs of equipment, sports-related nutrition, medical treatment for injuries and the need to travel to and from training and games, I would say most guys actually make a net loss to play. But they do it for the love of the game, and with the season having been cancelled this year I really hope it's able to return in 2021.

Thanks, that was what I was wondering...
 

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i havent had any fun doing fantay roster's for the Bruins for the past 4-5 years... I guess in large part to the cap, but also our team was basically set and we really werent going to do a lot except try to develop kids to fill holes.

all this talk from Sweeney and neely this year has me feeling pretty excited at least 1 and maybe 2 major changes are coming in the next couple weeks

so... I did some fanciful/unrealistic ideas but I thought I would really put myself to the test and try my damn best to put a realistic idea forward that we might end up seeing for real.

It starts with the rumored Arizona trade
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our targets are
Oliver Ekman Larsson {$8,250,000 X 7} {we need Arizona to retain 1 mill per year}
Taylor Hall {{$9,850,000 X 7} currently an UFA

our bait I hope Arizona will accept is
Jake Debrusk {RFA} has some ties to the Arizona area
Matt Grezlyck {RFA} he is a legitimate dman who might still have upside
Andres Bjork {$1,600,000 x 3} a fairly affordable 3rd line depth player}
Chris Wagner {$1,350,000 x 3} some character for their bottom line}
Urho Vaikanainen {$0,894,167 x 2} He will be a player
our 2021 first round pick... basically this is the price we pay to get Arizona to retain}

Arizona potentially fills 5 holes in their lineup for around 11.5 million compared to 2 holes at 14 mill... this will help them save a lot of money and it improves their depth. Sadly they choose themselves to rebuild. It's not our fault. I dont think anyone else would be beating this offer for Larsson. It might sound like too much from Boston but Larsson is a lot better than most people think. His heart was taken out by how crappy the Arizona situation has become... and he hated being the captain there and forced to explain the team to the press. This is a guy that absolutely dominates world competition when he has a chance to play on a better team.

To clear room in our budget to sign Hall we must deal Krejci or Rask
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Our new target is
Josh Anderson {RFA} 6'3 and 225... 26 years old. He has twice scored 20+ goals over a full season {19 in 63 games once} and he has been credited with throwing his huge body around for over 2 hits per game throughout his career. Columbus for some reason has played hardball on contract negotiations and last year Anderson was clearly very unhappy and his play struggled. I am suggesting we lock him up on a 3 year deal at 3 million.

The bait
David Krejci {$7,250,000 x 1} Boston will have to eat some cap to make this work for Columbus... I am thinking $2,250... its a one year hit Columbus should use Jenner on their third line... they are rumored buying out Wennberg. Dubois is a legit first line stud. Krecji makes sense for them to resign as their number 2 center.

I want to keep this all realistic so Im holding mself to just 2 trades... the other moves are free agent signings.

RESIGN
Zdeno Chara {1 x 1 mill base with a mill in earnable bonuses}
Taylor Hall {7 x 8.85 mill {this is almost the same money Tyler Seguin is making the next 7 years... make up the missing million per year by front loading signing bonuses}

Market UFA
Bobby Ryan {give him almost the same contract as Corey Perry 1 mill base with 2 mill in bonuses}

Our finished lineup
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Taylor Hall/Charlie Coyle/David Pastrnak
Brad Marchand/Patrice Bergeron/Ondrej Kase
Bobby Ryan/Jack Studnicka/Josh Anderson
Nick Ritchie/Sean Kuraly/Zach Senyshyn
Par Lindholm

{13 forwards... Senshyn gets a try to keep a job but if he fails we bring up Karson Kuhlman who is capable as a 4th line forward. Ritchie will either perform or lose his job to Trent Federic.}

Did you know?
Ondrej Kase is 50% 7/14 in career shootouts
Bobby Ryan is 21/61 a healthy 34.1%

wouldnt it be nice to win a few shootouts?

Our rebuilt defense
Oliver Ekman Larsson/Charlie McAvoy
John Moore/Brandon Carlo
Zdeno Chara/Jeremy Lauzon
Jacob Zboril/Connor Clifton

{carry 8 dmen so Zboril can get a chance to play some... if he fails so be it. Moore is in the lineup because I think he could still rebound with the right opportunity, but if he falters we got Jeremy Lauzon wanting to step up and of course we have Chara who will often step up on nights where he is feeling good}

Im going to just leave Tuuka Rask on our team... if we wanted to give him time off early in the year for his family, then we see what Danial Vladar can do. Halak actually is a capable lower level starter we can plug in as needed.

so whats the cap hit for this team?

1.5 mill retention for backes
2.25 mill retention for krejci
1 mill penalty for bonuses earnt in 2019-20 {team election to take around 1/2 now 1/2 next year}
$45, 734,758 {forwards}
$21,550,000 {dmen}
$9,250,000 {goalies}
total $81,284,758

This pushes our cap pretty much right to the upper limits... but there is a chance we will end up losing Rask to some sort of suspension/retirement.

I think we upgrade throughout the lineup

Hall... upgrade over Debrusk
Studnicka... wont be able to replace krejci yet but Hall doubles to replace both Krejci/and Debrusk
Ryan... upgrade over Nordstrom
Anderson... upgrade over Bjork
Senyshyn... i think he will give us what wagner did

Larson... upgrade over krug
we replace grezlyck with whatever kid steps up {lauzon?}

the only prized kids im giving up are
urho vaikanainen and whoever the 2021 first round might be
we keep Federic/Beecher/Kuhlman/Studnicka up front
we got a couple other guys i think will end up playing in the system as well

we have lost most of our best defensive depth... but kids like wolfe/ahcan were signed
because we think they have a chance to be players.

im giving both senyshyn and zboril a chance to salvage their legacy in boston... i actually feel that both will end up making it in some role. im not throwing them into main roles though. they will have to prove they can play

bergeron/marchand have suffered some defensively the last couple years with pastrnak as their winger... the pressure to become first line scorers. i think these guys are better when they matchup against the other team's top line and shut it down. as they get older the next 2-3 years it will be easier on them playing more of a second line role anyhow.

and I do think pastrnak will respond well to hall's high tempo game. pastrnak has done well mostly becomes hes so damn good. he hasnt really clicked with Bergeron or krejci and their slower style of play. in fact, pastrnak scored as well with riley nash centering him and marchand.

we would have 2 outstanding pp with my moves

number 1
Marchand/Bergeron/Pastrnak
Hall/Larsson

number 2
Ryan/Studnicka/Coyle
Kase/McAvoy


Im giving you a like because I like u.

I didn't read any of it but your passion cant be question and to put all that thought into it im sure theres something in there I like.;)
 
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Montecristo

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Kase plays like a top-6 forward most nights. He produces nearly as many scoring chances as an average 1st line player. If only he produced. I truly hope he uses the shooter tutor in the offseason. If he developed his shot and release...he could be great. Until then, he is Carl Hagelin.

coyle was also someone who did everything right except score his first 25 or so games with boston as well. He figured it out, hopefully kase can do the same here. His nose for putting himself in good spots hopefully will lead to a big jump next year
 

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All aboard the Mattias Mäntykivi hype train choo choo!

Such a smart player, really reminds me of another recently departed Bruins winger.


Every time I see one of those ad circles painted black, I am consumed by rage.
 
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Dueling Banjos

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All on ice advertising is a pox on the game.

I agree, it's paying the bills though.

Smaller markets have to use every way possible to survive and sustain certain level. I am sure players don't mind it, i mean present them a cold fact that their salary would be cut by 1/3 or maybe even more if not for ice ads.

Necessary evil.
 

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Maybe mantykivi 5th round steal ?
Steal might set expectations too high, he's not the best skater or the most skilled player, but he's very smart, has really good vision and could become a really solid playmaker.

optimistically, he'll be a good possession, middle-six winger who might chip in on PP2 and the pk.

On the other hand, he's a 19 year old in Liiga scoring at a point per game clip (through 2 games). Choo Choo!
 
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It's been so fashionable for the past decade or more to crap on the bruin's prospect depth... and yet somehow we have managed to graduate a better roster of prospects into the NHL than any other team.

I am presenting a 23 man full lineup that I think you might agree would be easy cup winner favorites if they were really together. These are all kids that played their first ever nhl game for the bruins... whether drafted/signed as an undrafted free agent/or snatched in a trade

Brad Marchand 2006 71st/Patrice Bergeron 2003 45th/David Pastrnak 2014 25th
Jake Debrusk 2015 14th/Tyler Seguin 2010 2nd/Phil Kessel 2006 5th
Milan Lucic 2006 50th/David Krejci 2004 63rd/Blake Wheeler 2008 free agent
Sean Kuraly trade in 2015/Vladamir Sobotka 2005 106th/Noel Accari 2015 free agent
Danton Heinen 2014 116th/Jack Studnicka 2017 53rd

Dougie Hamilton 2011 9th/Torey Krug 2012 free agent
Ryan Lindgren 2016 49th/Charlie McAvoy 2016 14th
Jeremy Lauzon 2015 52nd/Brandon Carlo 2015 37th
Matt Grzelcyk 2012 85th

Tuuka Rask trade in 2006
Malcolm Subban 2012 24th

7 guys drafted in the first round
7 guys drafted in the second round
4 late draft picks
3 college free agents
2 guys picked up in trades


Sadly, this cap hit would be right around 100 million dollars... so our drafting/developing is actually a bit too good

guys that didnt make my cut but are bonafide NHL talents

Ryan Donato
Andres Bjork

Frank Vatrano
Matt Benning
Kevan Miller
 

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It's been so fashionable for the past decade or more to crap on the bruin's prospect depth... and yet somehow we have managed to graduate a better roster of prospects into the NHL than any other team.

I am presenting a 23 man full lineup that I think you might agree would be easy cup winner favorites if they were really together. These are all kids that played their first ever nhl game for the bruins... whether drafted/signed as an undrafted free agent/or snatched in a trade

Brad Marchand 2006 71st/Patrice Bergeron 2003 45th/David Pastrnak 2014 25th
Jake Debrusk 2015 14th/Tyler Seguin 2010 2nd/Phil Kessel 2006 5th
Milan Lucic 2006 50th/David Krejci 2004 63rd/Blake Wheeler 2008 free agent
Sean Kuraly trade in 2015/Vladamir Sobotka 2005 106th/Noel Accari 2015 free agent
Danton Heinen 2014 116th/Jack Studnicka 2017 53rd

Dougie Hamilton 2011 9th/Torey Krug 2012 free agent
Ryan Lindgren 2016 49th/Charlie McAvoy 2016 14th
Jeremy Lauzon 2015 52nd/Brandon Carlo 2015 37th
Matt Grzelcyk 2012 85th

Tuuka Rask trade in 2006
Malcolm Subban 2012 24th

7 guys drafted in the first round
7 guys drafted in the second round
4 late draft picks
3 college free agents
2 guys picked up in trades


Sadly, this cap hit would be right around 100 million dollars... so our drafting/developing is actually a bit too good

guys that didnt make my cut but are bonafide NHL talents

Ryan Donato
Andres Bjork

Frank Vatrano
Matt Benning
Kevan Miller
Nice work here and interesting post! Only change I’d make is griz > lindgren
 
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NDiesel

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How is no body contact in the OHL (if it happens) going to affect the next draft I wonder. Pretty tough to evaluate players when that aspect of the game isn't in it.
 

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How about samuel asselin nobody mentions him looks like a star and can make the team next year. In providence played just 5 games and got 3 points. In Quebec league total dominance.

As in make the Bruins out of camp? I very much doubt it

I am very interested in seeing how he does in providence though
 
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