Prospect Info: Bruins Prospects Discussion III

[Marcobruin]

You did.

You said you were "in" for manslaughter for making people eat crow.

I asked which prospects.

You are now deflecting and backpedaling.



I think that about sums it up?

Sums it up ? Sure ..
Yes I said manslaughter but I asked you. .who said you were the victims? ?..In fact , if you read my previous post I said that I was on another forum and thats where I had made some posters "eat crow"
Those were the "victims" no one here... I am still relaively new here so I am going to need more time to make you eat crow (kidding with sarcasm)
If you're interested some of the prospects that I had predicted on the other forum were.
Suban..from draft day
Jared knight
Joe colborne(mediocre nhler at best)
Joe morrow(did not think much of
Him in fact less then I thought about Fraser)

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Sums it up ? Sure ..
Yes I said manslaughter but I asked you. .who said you were the victims? ?..In fact , if you read my previous post I said that I was on another forum and thats where I had made some posters "eat crow"
Those were the "victims" no one here... I am still relaively new here so I am going to need more time to make you eat crow (kidding with sarcasm)
If you're interested some of the prospects that I had predicted on the other forum were.
Suban..from draft day
Jared knight
Joe colborne(mediocre nhler at best)

There were a few of us that were wrong about Knight, but there was some healthy skepticism on both him and Subban from many. Also, I can't remember a first round pick that was liked less here than Colborne, so no sense patting yourself on the back over that one

I'm not sure what the other forum you were on was like, but here on HF there are many posters who dislike the prospects and the positive people are typically in the minority.

 

[Marcobruin]

There were a few of us that were wrong about Knight, but there was some healthy skepticism on both him and Subban from many. Also, I can't remember a first round pick that was liked less here than Colborne, so no sense patting yourself on the back over that one

I'm not sure what the other forum you were on was like, but here on HF there are many posters who dislike the prospects and the positive people are typically in the minority.

I add more as they come. It was not here as I said so no need to tap my back here.but boy I rubbed it in over there since most where
I don't think they'd last here if they post in same fashion
If you are correct when saying
The positive ppl aka.the cheerleaders are in a minority here
Then I will fit right in.
There were so many other topics
Which those posters ate crow not only prospects..
Would you believe there are still some that say the Seguin trade
Was not a bad trade , that sweeney is the real culprit of screwing up that trade..They glorified Loui more then ill bet his own family did

 

[Legionnaire11]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on the potential and/or expectations of the players who made their NHL debut last season?

Brandon Carlo
Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson
Matt Grzelcyk
Patrick Cehlarik
Danton Heinen
Sean Kuraly
Rob O'Gara
Zane McIntyre
Anton Blidh
Austin Czarnik

 

[neelynugs]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on the potential and/or expectations of the players who made their NHL debut last season?

Brandon Carlo - excellent rookie year, looks like 2nd pairing shutdown guy that can move the puck
Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson - looked not ready for the NHL in his only game. overall could be 2nd/3rd line center down the road. smart, slick, sort of a style mix between bergeron and krejci
Matt Grzelcyk - great skating puck moving D, didn't look NHL ready last year. probably a 6-7 max at NHL level, could see spot duty this year
Peter Cehlarik - big surprise when called up. he looked mature, polished, fit in well in the top 9. didn't finish his chances but will come in time. think he's a definite top 9 NHL winger
Danton Heinen - looked in over his head in NHL games last year. had issues with pace of play. reminds me of loui eriksson. smart, will go into traffic, good hands, good IQ. he should be a top 9 NHL winger as soon as this october
Sean Kuraly - skates kinda funny but is big and fast. not sure his upside is more than a 4th liner who can play spot duty on the 3rd line, but strong forechecker and should play on 4th line this year.
Rob O'Gara - i think he's NHL ready right now - looks like a #4-6 Dman that defends well and is smart/strong positionally. underrated puck moving skill but he'll earn his money defending/PKing.
Zane McIntyre - looked great in providence, not so great in the NHL. not sure yet if he can ever be NHL starter, but certainly NHL backup at the least. would rather see him logging games in AHL first half next year than caddying for rask.
Anton Blidh - nasty agitator that looks like a 4th liner for sure. creates havoc and chances, but don't think he will finish much off.
Austin Czarnik - not sure what his story is - a waterbug with a lot of energy, has some skill and will and is quick on his feet and with his mind. i liked him last season at certain points. maybe the concussion set him back? i think he could possibly be a top 9 center/winger, but he could also be a tweener.

hope this helps ya.

 

[Legionnaire11]

Thanks a lot!

 

[PacificNWBruin]

I add more as they come. It was not here as I said so no need to tap my back here.but boy I rubbed it in over there since most where
I don't think they'd last here if they post in same fashion
If you are correct when saying
The positive ppl aka.the cheerleaders are in a minority here
Then I will fit right in.
There were so many other topics
Which those posters ate crow not only prospects..
Would you believe there are still some that say the Seguin trade
Was not a bad trade , that sweeney is the real culprit of screwing up that trade..They glorified Loui more then ill bet his own family did

I'll stand by what I said. Calling Danton Heinen a bust/loss, who was a 4th round draft pick, is pre-mature. And if he doesn't become a regular NHLer it wouldn't be a surprise either. Later round draft picks end up not making it close to the NHL, but he did progress very nicely during his time in the NCAA so there's a chance he could become a good player.

I'm a realistic-cheerleader. I cheer for all prospects but also know prospects are just that, prospects. We'll see how things play out though. We have a deep pool.

 

[Marcobruin]

I'll stand by what I said. Calling Danton Heinen a bust/loss, who was a 4th round draft pick, is pre-mature. And if he doesn't become a regular NHLer it wouldn't be a surprise either. Later round draft picks end up not making it close to the NHL, but he did progress very nicely during his time in the NCAA so there's a chance he could become a good player.

I'm a realistic-cheerleader. I cheer for all prospects but also know prospects are just that, prospects. We'll see how things play out though. We have a deep pool.[/
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Well said...and I hope Danton becomes a heckuva player
And you can remind me every chance you get if you wish. We sure do have a deep pool but imo not necessarily blue chippers .Imo again, the only blue chipper we have is Mcavoy (I personally no longer consider pastr and Carlo prospects.
They are nhlers eventhough Carlo has just one reg season and one rd
Of playoff hockey.)

 

[Gator Mike]

Well said...and I hope Danton becomes a heckuva player
And you can remind me every chance you get if you wish. We sure do have a deep pool but imo not necessarily blue chippers .Imo again, the only blue chipper we have is Mcavoy

Define "blue chippers"

Because even if Heinen maxes out at 20 goals and 45 points, there's real value in that.

 

[Montecristo]

Define "blue chippers"

Because even if Heinen maxes out at 20 goals and 45 points, there's real value in that.

That to me is close to what his ceiling is. Id project a 12 goal- 30 point type player from him. And there is value in that too, but I think no matter what either of our definition of blue chip prospects is, that profile does not fit the description.

 

[HumBucker]

Define "blue chippers"

Because even if Heinen maxes out at 20 goals and 45 points, there's real value in that.

Exactly. Show me a team full of "blue chippers" top to bottom. Someone's gotta play bottom 6 and 3rd pairing D.

If one of the current crop of prospects becomes Top 6 forward material, that's pretty good. If another 2-3 become solid 3rd-liners, maybe borderline 2nd liners, again, pretty good. We're already seeing some good young 4th line players. That sets us up for some good depth throughout the forward corps for years to come. I don't think anyone expects them all to become all-stars, and that goes for the D as well.

 

[Marcobruin]

Blue chip imo is another word for
Elite type prospect..
top of my head -a player who fits that aside from mcavoy(I've already mentioned and not real active in nhl in the nhl(eventhough he had a short stint in playoffs)
Would probably be a guy like Clayton keller(only 3 nhl games).players expected to be front line player or even franchise players.
There seems to be a wide enough variation with Danton.some think he can be a 70pt guy some a 50pt guy either way if he makes the Nhl
And delivers any of those outputs
I'd be real satisfied.
Look danton fits the bill as the player that all nhl teams had off the radar except for the bruins....so
that outlines the tale of the ole diamond in the rough. .
We will see but at some time next season hopefully at the start he will have to set his mark .
If he can average 50 pts as say a third liner. ..ill take it I'm sure most would

 

[CDJ]

Heinen was pretty great in his playoff run going against men all year for the first time. I don't think I'd cap him at 40 points quite yet, there may be more there


Or he could flame out but whatever that's prospects. I just don't think 40 is his absolute ceiling is all I'm trying to say

 

[Mainehockey33]

Heinen was pretty great in his playoff run going against men all year for the first time. I don't think I'd cap him at 40 points quite yet, there may be more there


Or he could flame out but whatever that's prospects. I just don't think 40 is his absolute ceiling is all I'm trying to say

Definitely, he scored more as a rookie in the playoffs than Marchand or Krejci did in Providence. That's impressive.

 

[ODAAT]

Define "blue chippers"

Because even if Heinen maxes out at 20 goals and 45 points, there's real value in that.

especially as a 4th round pick who went what? #116? Huge value

 

[Marcobruin]

I'm going to compare danton to a current bruin...spooner
I think spoon had more upside
And he's definitely been on the disappointing side.

 

[Brewins]

I'm going to compare danton to a current bruin...spooner
I think spoon had more upside
And he's definitely been on the disappointing side.

Spooner is flashier, but i think heinen plays a more cerebral game for sure, peak to peak spooner would score move but heinen would contribute in all 3 zones. Heinen is crafty, heady and smart positionally and with his stick. Spooner can run a PP and fly down the ice. Its like LE21 vs Sequin.

Heinen had an astounding playoffs and looked dominating. No where near a bust.

 

[PlayMakers]

I think it's fair to say that (if McAvoy is considered graduated) that we don't have any "blue chippers" but at the same time, I'd say that moniker is a little overrated. A lot of the NHL's top players were not considered blue chip prospects. Just look at the B's, where was Chara drafted? Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci all outside the first round. McAvoy and Pasta outside the top10. Krug wasn't drafted at all and is far and away this team's best defenseman based on the analytics. Shea Weber, PK Subban, Roman Josi, Kris Letting, Duncan Keith... all 2nd rounders or later. I think you could probably make the case that there are as many impact players in the NHL that have come from outside that blue-chip top10 pick range as have come from inside it.

Point is, development is a process and expectations change. Folks here wanted to dump Marchand after his first 20 game stint in the NHL. Now he's one of the best players in the game. Period. Heinen, Cehlarik and DeBrusk all had similar performances in their first pro campaigns. I think the smart thing to do is pencil them in as middle-6 guys in the near future and see what they can do once they get there and get settled.

 

[PB37]

If he can average 50 pts as say a third liner. ..ill take it I'm sure most would

A 50 point player is a top 6, not bottom.

 

[reffree]

I think it's fair to say that (if McAvoy is considered graduated) that we don't have any "blue chippers" but at the same time, I'd say that moniker is a little overrated. A lot of the NHL's top players were not considered blue chip prospects. Just look at the B's, where was Chara drafted? Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci all outside the first round. McAvoy and Pasta outside the top10. Krug wasn't drafted at all and is far and away this team's best defenseman based on the analytics. Shea Weber, PK Subban, Roman Josi, Kris Letting, Duncan Keith... all 2nd rounders or later. I think you could probably make the case that there are as many impact players in the NHL that have come from outside that blue-chip top10 pick range as have come from inside it.

Point is, development is a process and expectations change. Folks here wanted to dump Marchand after his first 20 game stint in the NHL. Now he's one of the best players in the game. Period. Heinen, Cehlarik and DeBrusk all had similar performances in their first pro campaigns. I think the smart thing to do is pencil them in as middle-6 guys in the near future and see what they can do once they get there and get settled.

I'd say you can become a blue chip prospect after the draft. McAvoy and Pasta were not blue chipper before the draft or the Bruins would not have been able to draft them. But in their draft +1 year they both developp into blue chipper, none of our other prospect made that jump as of now. Bergeron was draft in the 2nd round, but allready in camp the next year the Bruins knew they had a blue chipper in their hand. Krejci as a 20yo rookie finished with over a pts per game and in the top of the Ahl both in regular and playoff, he had a 15pts advantage over his closer teamate, he then too establish himself as a blue chip prospect.

The reason whey we call our prospect a bunch of B+ prospect is not in relation to where they were draft, but how they played since.

 

[ODAAT]

I asked or inquired in another thread, anyone here who`s old enough to have followed this team for a few decades or longer recall a time where the pool of prospects has ever held the potential to be pretty darn special?

I can`t, I recall a few years here and there where there were a few kids to get excited about but not like this

 

[Baddkarma]

I asked or inquired in another thread, anyone here who`s old enough to have followed this team for a few decades or longer recall a time where the pool of prospects has ever held the potential to be pretty darn special?

I can`t, I recall a few years here and there where there were a few kids to get excited about but not like this

84-88 most likely, but not as much top end potential.

Bob Joyce
Don Sweeney
Bill Ranford
Craig Janney
Greg Hawgood
Glen Wesley
Stepan Quintal
Ted Donato
Steve Heinze
Joe Juneau

 

[KnightofBoston]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on the potential and/or expectations of the players who made their NHL debut last season?

Brandon Carlo
Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson
Matt Grzelcyk
Patrick Cehlarik
Danton Heinen
Sean Kuraly
Rob O'Gara
Zane McIntyre
Anton Blidh
Austin Czarnik

Brandon Carlo - excellent start for his age that tapered off down the stretch, never got a chance to show what he had in the playoffs. Projects as a 3/4 but could reach as high as a number 2 when needed

Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson - great year at BU and signed with Boston late in the season, played ok in Boston and projects as a 2nd line two way center but more likely will end up as a 3rd line center with some offense

Matt Grzelcyk - ok in providence but clock is ticking, will either become a powerplay guy or fizzle out (in Boston) ala Warsofksy/Kampfer/bartkowski

Patrick Cehlarik - looked fantastic next to Krejci but couldn't buy a goal. Had injury problems late and couldn't help providence with their cup push. Projects as a third line scoring winger but could reach as high as top 6

Danton Heinen - ho-hum in Boston and for the most part providence until he turned it on and scored in bunches in the playoffs for providence. He's so smart he could find a role anywhere but I think he'll be top 6 or bust and I lean towards top 6

Sean Kuraly - solid in providence and great for Boston. 4th line guy with merlot qualities and can providence offense for you on your third line if your team is lacking otherwise

Rob O'Gara - dealt with injuries but arguably the Bruins most NHL ready defensemen behind Carlo and Charlie as far as the newer guys go. Projects as a number 4 but likely will end up being a 5/6


Zane McIntyre - outstanding regular season with providence and filled in for the Bruins a few times, some shaky performances in the playoffs but solid overall. Projects as a number 1 top 10 goalie but I can see him fizzling out too

Anton Blidh - pretty good year in providence and can fill in with Boston anytime. 4th line energy winger.

Austin Czarnik - played pretty well for Boston after making it out of camp but a concussion put him way behind, he looked off ever since even down in providence. Hopeully he can recover, he's an enigma. Can see him scoring like Marchand years from now or managing accounts at a local Home Depot. Not sure.

 

[Marcobruin]

84-88 most likely, but not as much top end potential.

Bob Joyce
Don Sweeney
Bill Ranford
Craig Janney
Greg Hawgood
Glen Wesley
Stepan Quintal
Ted Donato
Steve Heinze
Joe Juneau

The best I ever felt of the bruins youngsters is when I saw the crop of kessel, krejci, lucic, berg was already there for a while but still young, stuart, wheeler (came a little later ,, I wasn't his biggest fan) and of course quite a bit later Marchand

In the past Wesley was a good defensive dman ..joyce was junk
Hawgood was a great WHl player
And not moore, DS was too small
Good skater though but got overtaken by bigger players, juneau
Liked him used to watch him during his days at RPI (aeronautical engineer or something like that)
Steve heinze was ok but when we played the better teams he just sucked...Quintal boy what he had to live with...he's the guy who got drafted just before Sakic...he was ok
got into fights at times....Janney
stay out of the heat Craig.. ( referring to when he dehydrated)
A good passer blessed with franchise wingers .certainly far from a game breaker liked Oates better
Ranford , he and geoff courtnall gave us Moog ..pretty good goali who beat us in finals (cant say I did not see that coming)

 

[Alan Ryan]

I asked or inquired in another thread, anyone here who`s old enough to have followed this team for a few decades or longer recall a time where the pool of prospects has ever held the potential to be pretty darn special?

I can`t, I recall a few years here and there where there were a few kids to get excited about but not like this

I've been interested in hockey since the 1950's, but didn't follow the Bruins closely until 1983.

The current prospect group is the best I've seen overall.