Value of: Brooks Orpik to NYR

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  1. hb11xchamps

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    This is ridiculous overpayment for one year of a contract that really isn't as horrible as everyone is making it out to be. There's never been a trade where someone has to combine multiple first round draft picks to dump a contract with one year left.

    Orpik has nothing but positive value at this time, even if it's only a later round draft pick from an up and coming team looking for a mentor for their D (see Buffalo). People rely too much on stats and charts when discussing a player and anyone with a set of eyes could see that Orpik played very well down the stretch and was a warrior on the ice. By all accounts, his locker room presence, leadership and the respect his teammates have for him have been a huge reason as to why Washington was able to win a Stanley Cup.
     
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    Just, no. This makes zero sense and there has never been a deal like you proposed. 1 year of a "bad" contract isn't going to cost 2 first rounders to move. If that's the case, teams like Edmonton are going to have to pay 5 first rounders to dump a contract like Lucic
     
  3. bernmeister

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    There is no ? he actually contributed productively, whether tangibly or intangibly.

    However, OP went where he did reaching out to NYR specifically anticipating a prob with the cap which cannot be ignored.

    Orpick WILL be kept if there is ANY ability to finagle him staying.

    But if not, his $ will be dominant, not other factors.
     
  4. hb11xchamps

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    There are a lot other routes Washington can take that make sense instead of trading multiple 1st rounders to dump Orpik. It's a silly idea. At that rate, I'd rather buy him out
     
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    Yes, not no, it makes sense from the other side.
    You ignore all 1sts not = and your 1st is last this year, late next year.
    And like I said there are competitive factors.
    It is more favorable than Seabrook or Ryan, etc.

    And welcome to reality, new replacing the old.
    No one is gonna take on Lucic from Oil unless there is payment through the nose and then some.
    Thought that a team, likely a bottom feeder, will accept only a single 1st and maybe minimal for Lucic is not reality.
    5-6 years for a horrible deal, declining player, top dollar.

    He's all yours, unless you want to make it worth my while.

    Now Orpik is much more desirable, but given you are trying to keep the band together and only have late 1sts, I am not sure what there is, for the entirety of $ with no retention, other than those 1sts, w/NY adding the other way.

    Like I said, if you'd rather offer me a nice prospect or 2 instead of the picks, I'll listen.

    But we are not bending over for cap dumps; worthwhile reason to go there is serious requirement.
     
  6. PensandCaps

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    Can't see a team even though it's only 1 year taking garbage Orpik at 5+ million.
    Caps would have to retain 50%, which still would save them cap space. They'd get nothing in return for him...even half of 5 mil is an overpayment for Orpik.
     
  7. bernmeister

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    Fine, and that is your right.
    All of these choices have various costs.
    Buy out also retains some level of salary, incl first year of it.

    Nothing is free.
     
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    Keep living in your fantasy land man. There's never been a team that's let go of multiple first round picks to dump one year of a contract. It's NEVER happened and it never will. The GM dumb enough to do that would get run out of town.
     
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    I could see someone swallowing the whole nut, but they have to make it worth the acquiring team's while.
    A cheap return won't cut it.

    Cap 2nd + nice prospect min for half could work
    more for whole 5+.
     
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    Fine, I'll stay where I am and hopefully you will juggle your way to retain Orpik for his final year at that #.

    But if not, you will capitulate and pay a significant enuf price to a team doing you a favor and taking on the contract, or you can let it suck the air out of your cap space for next season.

    Your call.

    I'll consider other than 2 late 1sts if you can offer same worthwhile.
     
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    I'll save you the time: it's never happened. It's not going to happen.

    2 1st round picks for 1 year of Orpik... yeesh.
     
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    This thread was started by a NYR fan. The Caps aren't offering anything to dump him at this time
     
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    OP is a Ranger's fan...
     
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    Bern, no disrespect, but sometimes you have to take a step back and really think about the offers you're tossing out. Even you can't break this down and think it's the best deal for the Capitals to do. 2018 & 2019 is insane. It's not fair value. It's not the value they need to pay for a team to take Orpik. It's not a return any realistic thinking GM would ask for. Orpik is a UFA.

    Worst case scenario, Orpik is traded for a late round pick, Orpik is bought out, or Orpik is put on waivers and I'm sure someone is going to claim him. You're looking at this as Washington is in cap hell, will be losing star players and are on the verge of becoming a bottom team if they don't turn around and bribe a team to take Orpik - that's not the case here. The cap continues to go up. If Washington really wants to pay Carlson's demands, they will find a way without giving up 2 first round picks.

    If Rangers were still contenders and didn't buy out Girardi (Had the 2018-2019 been his UFA year), would you trade Girardi and 2 first round picks to get out of that 5.5 million contract?
     
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    Orpik at his cap hit does not have positive value- I would be shocked to see a team give up assets for a 38 year old bottom pairing defenceman making 5.5M on the salary cap. His playoff performance definitely showed he is still capable of filling a role on a team in PK duties and provide leadership but not at that price. If you retained half a team may give up something though. To me the three guarantees to be locked up regardless of Orpik's situation are Carlson, Wilson and Bowey (too young to give up on). IMO the Caps have 3 options: keep Orpik and let potentially Kempny, DSP and Beagle walk. Retain half and be able to sign 2 of those 3 players. Or add a 3rd round pick to Orpik for nothing to be able to bring back all 3 players- and basically have the same Stanley Cup winning team next year except for Orpik and Grubauer.
     
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    How does Orpik fit in a rebuild? The Rangers are in a youth movement. I don't think he fits into the current plan. If they were looking at playoffs Orpik would be a good add.
     
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    Dumbest post I’ve read here in a long time. Congrats!
     
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    CapitalsCupFantasy It’s Go Time!!

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    On Orpik:

    Orpik has positive value to a team full of young D and with the cap room. I’d like to see us trade him, then reacquire at the deadline, then transition him into an assistant coach. Incredible mentor and leader IMO.

    Caps will NOT be paying some dumb ass price for one year of his deal. 3rd rounder tops....if anything.
     
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    HeyMattyB Weaponize your sincerity, kill 'em with kindness.

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    In case it's not clear, no Caps fan (or any hockey fan who knows anything about Orpik's contract/role/importance to the Caps) is interested in buying what you're selling. You can argue and plead until you're blue in the face but, like, no. Just, no. Not even close.
     
  20. bernmeister

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    I stand corrected as to OP being a Rangers fan.

    However, we are not taking on 5+m principally being a cap hit for anything not worthwhile.
     
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    Repeating something incorrect doesn't somehow make it less wrong
     
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    please. what about that is incorrect?
     
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    1. Value is relative. He's an old player with a large cap hit. Most people with an understanding of the cap will realize it's a bad contract, ergo he has negative value
    2. Albatross is a strong word and a likely strawman by the OP. But see above- he's a seriously declining player at a bad age
    3. When is the last time a hockey player said anything remotely bad about a teammate that they just won the cup with? MAF was the SECOND guy to get the Cup last year and he was gone in the exp draft, what does this even mean?
    4. I'll concede as I have no idea what the Caps situation is like

    Better?
     
  24. AlexBrovechkin8

    AlexBrovechkin8 Playoff chokers, they said.

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    No, not really. But it’s not worth discussing since you already have your mind made up.
     
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    Value is relative. He has a lot of value to the Caps, and they'll happily pay his last year if they can manage it and still get their FA signed. Orpik isn't being paid to be a top 4 D. His money is for his discipline and leadership and 3rd pair minutes/pk. So he's not declining in that context.
     

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