Value of: Brett Kulak

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The thing that won't help Kulak value is the fact that he doesn't bring anything special. He does alote of good thing but he's not a specialist in any part of the game. He's not physical, he's not good in PK and he doesn't bring anything special offensively. He's the type of player that teams doesn't search on the market and they will prefer to give a chance to a player in there organization. For the return we will get I think we should keep him as 7th D as was said by @montreal and he will fill in when we will have injuries

Alone by himself, he's not worth that much. Decent depth guy that skates well and plays physical. Teams do look for that but he is struggling with consistency. If he is moved, it's probably in the Domi trade package as a add on.

Here is a question... if we keep him and is placed on waivers, does he get claimed for sure? I would value him playing AHL vs a meh draft pick or trading him for a grade B piece.

I think Kulak, Mete, Juulsen will fight for one spot and the other two are depth guys watching games and ready to play in case of injuries. Not a bad situation
 

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He gets 1.4 mil next season, not 2.2. And while the cap might not rise, the expansion draft next season is going to change the considerations again. I think the point thing is overrated, he's certainly not overpaid for his on-ice impact.

I certainly think he's overpaid for what he brings unless he can start to bring it consistently. If he was making 750K or 900K then I could see teams rolling the dice but that final year imo scares teams off. We'll see what the Habs do, but bringing in Edmundson imo shows they lost some faith in either Kulak or Mete.
 

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I certainly think he's overpaid for what he brings unless he can start to bring it consistently. If he was making 750K or 900K then I could see teams rolling the dice but that final year imo scares teams off. We'll see what the Habs do, but bringing in Edmundson imo shows they lost some faith in either Kulak or Mete.

I doubt, since they have different roles.

Kulak and especially Mete are more puck-moving D who are most effective in transition and passing. Edmundson is a physical D-man that can box guys out and score, but doesn't move the puck well or skate all that well.

I think Bergevin and Julien just like bigger, physical D-men.
 

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Alone by himself, he's not worth that much. Decent depth guy that skates well and plays physical. Teams do look for that but he is struggling with consistency. If he is moved, it's probably in the Domi trade package as a add on.

Here is a question... if we keep him and is placed on waivers, does he get claimed for sure? I would value him playing AHL vs a meh draft pick or trading him for a grade B piece.

I think Kulak, Mete, Juulsen will fight for one spot and the other two are depth guys watching games and ready to play in case of injuries. Not a bad situation

He dosent play physical though. It's even one of his biggest weakness in my eyes. He lose alote of his battle in the corner and along the board and he's soft around the crease.

I'm not sure he would be claim because teams won't have alote of cap space and habitually every team are full at the start of the season.
 

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I doubt, since they have different roles.

Kulak and especially Mete are more puck-moving D who are most effective in transition and passing. Edmundson is a physical D-man that can box guys out and score, but doesn't move the puck well or skate all that well.

I think Bergevin and Julien just like bigger, physical D-men.

Well you can't play all 4 in the top 6 unless they rotate them, which I would be surprised to see. So Edmundson is likely either going to take Kulak's spot or Mete's, no?

We know Julien likes bigger players which isn't surprising since he thinks it's still the '90's.
 

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Well you can't play all 4 in the top 6 unless they rotate them, which I would be surprised to see. So Edmundson is likely either going to take Kulak's spot or Mete's, no?

We know Julien likes bigger players which isn't surprising since he thinks it's still the '90's.

Its a pretty big mistake for Montreal to play Edmundson in the top-4, I think he's been reliably unreliable there for a far longer and to a greater degree than even a Kulak.

If Montreal's not making another D move, its probably more oriented towards Bergevin's commitment to have young guys have to earn a spot and not getting into a position where you have to play guys like Ouellet or Folin.
 

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Well you can't play all 4 in the top 6 unless they rotate them, which I would be surprised to see. So Edmundson is likely either going to take Kulak's spot or Mete's, no?

We know Julien likes bigger players which isn't surprising since he thinks it's still the '90's.
You have been watching the playoffs this year though have you ? I mean that Dallas Colorado series was not a place for little guys . Vegas is not a small team and they were wore down by the pounding they took . In order for Tampa to get to the next level they needed more grit and truculence . I really do not see a lot of small finesse guys excelling or even wanting to touch the puck .
 

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You have been watching the playoffs this year though have you ? I mean that Dallas Colorado series was not a place for little guys . Vegas is not a small team and they were wore down by the pounding they took . In order for Tampa to get to the next level they needed more grit and truculence . I really do not see a lot of small finesse guys excelling or even wanting to touch the puck .

Some fans think regular season smurfs who produce will do the same in the playoffs... the deeper you get, the more nasty it gets! A team can only have so much of the smaller soft types. This size/toughness thing don't matter anymore is BS! Big boys that can skate are valuable in 7 game series war
 
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Its a pretty big mistake for Montreal to play Edmundson in the top-4, I think he's been reliably unreliable there for a far longer and to a greater degree than even a Kulak.

If Montreal's not making another D move, its probably more oriented towards Bergevin's commitment to have young guys have to earn a spot and not getting into a position where you have to play guys like Ouellet or Folin.

Chiarot was signed as a bottom 4 guy but moved up cause he showed what he can do with more opportunity. Edmundson for 2 years to bridge time for our young LD's is not a bad idea. It's very possible he was brought in to play bottom 4 and depending on chemestry... he plays with Petry on the LD side or Romanov on the RD side. Finding someone proven to play with Romanov is a good move.
 

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Some fans think regular season smurfs who produce will do the same in the playoffs... the deeper you get, the more nasty it gets! A team can only have so much of the smaller soft types. This size/toughness thing don't matter anymore is BS! Big boys that can skate are valuable in 7 game series war
Yes I really hope Dubas doubles down on his philosophy . You know get rid of any Clifford types and keep the Spezza types . Perfect for playoff hockey in 2020
 

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Yes I really hope Dubas doubles down on his philosophy . You know get rid of any Clifford types and keep the Spezza types . Perfect for playoff hockey in 2020

Think Dubas has learned on the job to some degree but now his best trade chip (Kadri value contract) is gone and he has nothing to show for it. He has a bit more learning to do if he though Clifford was a solution. Going after size/leadership is tricky.
 

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Some fans think regular season smurfs who produce will do the same in the playoffs... the deeper you get, the more nasty it gets! A team can only have so much of the smaller soft types. This size/toughness thing don't matter anymore is BS! Big boys that can skate are valuable in 7 game series war
Go check out Phil Kessel's playoff numbers sometime.

Noted physical tough beast.
 

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Think Dubas has learned on the job to some degree but now his best trade chip (Kadri value contract) is gone and he has nothing to show for it. He has a bit more learning to do if he though Clifford was a solution. Going after size/leadership is tricky.
It is . I’m a believer in having a few guys around to protect your players . When someone is taking runs at Matthews or Marner you gotta have someone there to step up for them . I watched edmunson do this for one of his teammates taking on Manson . I would have liked to have seen someone from Montreal take a shot at niskanen for what he did to gallagher . I felt we were pushed around a bit by philly . But philly didn’t have that same swagger against the islanders because of Martin . Seems that Martin and company don’t have the same swagger because of maroon .
 

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It is . I’m a believer in having a few guys around to protect your players . When someone is taking runs at Matthews or Marner you gotta have someone there to step up for them . I watched edmunson do this for one of his teammates taking on Manson . I would have liked to have seen someone from Montreal take a shot at niskanen for what he did to gallagher . I felt we were pushed around a bit by philly . But philly didn’t have that same swagger against the islanders because of Martin . Seems that Martin and company don’t have the same swagger because of maroon .

Those kids run that team which might be the biggest problem in the dressing room. Don't think Tavares and Muzzin is enough. And their coach is a rookie coach now. Leafs in cap hell and have traded futures away. Dubas has not done too much good moves from what see. Gave the GM job to a kid at the most important time in franchise history. Lou would have gotten them a playoff series win by now I am sure of it.
 

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I think Mete could be playing the right side next year, we don't need to trade either and considering we don't know the format for next year, more d depth might be worthwhile. The return won't be overwhelming.

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We have a bunch of kids who might make it, and then we can flip one of Mete/Kulak if the opportunity presents itself. If we wait for the season to start and for the inevitable injuries, we might get a little bit more for these guys.
 
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I think Mete could be playing the right side next year, we don't need to trade either and considering we don't know the format for next year, more d depth might be worthwhile. The return won't be overwhelming.

Chairot-Weber
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We have a bunch of kids who might make it, and then we can flip one of Mete/Kulak if the opportunity presents itself. If we wait for the season to start and for the inevitable injuries, we might get a little bit more for these guys.
Sounds reasonable
 

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More exceptions. I'm sure you can find more than just two? :sarcasm:. Pointless to focus on cheery picking
Exactly. Now make the case why big slow unskilled players are supery dupery valuable during the playoffs without cherrypicking exceptions.
 

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Exactly. Now make the case why big slow unskilled players are supery dupery valuable during the playoffs without cherrypicking exceptions.

Nobody said to target big and slow. What you talking about? Slow? :laugh:. This is the flaw with size... you tie that down to slow players only. What a weird side angle you are debating here man.

You can only have a few smaller/skilled soft types. Not many teams can win cups like the Pens. But hey, if you want to use the Pens or Leafs model... go right ahead.
 

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Nobody said to target big and slow. What you talking about? Slow? :laugh:. This is the flaw with size... you tie that down to slow players only. What a weird side angle you are debating here man.

Exactly. So big fast skilled players are helpful.

Good to know.

Now who exactly ever said the opposite?
 

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Always exceptions to the rule but the exceptions are not the rule.
actually, players who produce differently, in a considerable manner (or who have a different relative impact), in the playoffs vs the regular season, given a large enough sample size of both (i.e. not just 10 playoffs games) are the exception and not the rule.

Now, whether smaller players are more likely to be of those exceptions, I don't know and haven't checked.
 

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