Player Discussion Brett Kulak: Top pairing candidate #6

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  1. Scriptor Registered User

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    I don't think we are comparing whois better between Kulak and Edmundson.

    Edmundson s definitely more consistent, if nothing else. You know what you get from Edmundson and that make it easier to slot him into the lineup.

    The comparison is the loss of value in Kulak over Edmundson VS the gain in Cap by shedding 3.5M for three more years beyond this and 1.85M for Kulak.

    If losing Edmundson (being able to unload the contract, which is far from a sure thing, would be nice) over Kulak is the difference between a tangible upgrade to the lineup or not, I'm fine with losing Edmundson and keeping Kulak.

    Still, part of me is also fine with losing both and 5.35M in Cap space (before adding replacement players) if it will provide a quality upgrade in the process.

    For example, if Montreal added a minute-munching, puck-moving, point-producing veteran D as a rental at the deadline that could be an upgrade over both at D and could be re-signed short term (2-3 years) for 4M in the offseason, I'd go with that player + Fleury or Mete in a heartbeat.

    The 1st or 2nd pairing improves so, more minutes on ice improve.

    Veteran upgrade - Weber
    Romanov - Petry
    Chiarot - Fleury
    Mete
     
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    Personally, I prefer having Edmundson at 3,5 then Kulak at 1,85. Edmundson bring something to a team and he ca play a role. He's a useful NHLer
     
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    I understand your minding, but how manage edmundson contract? Most of playoff team are already close to the salary cap, so if they get a contract like edmundson, they will have to shed you a salary back. And these non playoff team don’t want to add a guy who will just help them to have a worst draft pick. Edmundson contract you will die with, at least, until his last year contract
     
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    A lot of novice fans really ripped Bergevin too early. He was doing a good job
     
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    If you are saying that Kulak is not a useful NHLer, I think that's nuts. He;s as good in his own zone as almost all 3rd pair guys. but he passes the puck better than most. And he's very good supporting the foreckeck. he's good at holding the puck in, and makes good decisions pinching down. And he's surprisingly good when he gets the puck deep. Bonus is he skates pretty well. On the other hand, another guy that can play a physical role is wasted on this team.
     
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    Kulak has impressed me
     
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    Very serviceable bottom pairing D. He started coming into his own during the bubble.

    Very underrated skater
     
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    If this was Bergevin's 3rd or 4th year as GM I would agree with you but this is year 9 and he finally gets it? You cannot write off the first several years of his ineptitude that easily.
     
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    but is he still the GM he was in those years, or has he developed?
     
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    I'm not the biggest fan of Kulak but at least that is good analyse of him and you bought good argument that I can't say that I disagree. What I wanted to say is that Kulak doesn't have a role in special team and that he can only play in 5 vs 5, not that he's not useful.
     
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    Yeah, he is only D that can't PK.And only Weber, Petry, and Romanov, can play PP. But he's still better than average 3rd pairing.
     
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    Personally I think he's an average 3rd pairing but I respect your point and I need to say that I agree that he's good for keeping the play a live in the Ozone with good pinch but I don't like the fact that he can't play in any special team, that he can't play the both ways (RD/LD) and that for his size, that he loose a lot of his puck battle a long the board and in front of the net. I like my bottom pairing D to have a speciality or to be aa young guy like Romanov.
     
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    That's an excellent analysis. It's exactly what he is.
     
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    yes, he's not as good in puck battles as our other D. But our other D are very good at that. That he can't
    play RD is the biggest problem on this roster.
     
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    I need to be clear, I don't want to trade him against a pick to have Mete and Ouellet as #6/7 and I'm totally fine if we keep him for the rest of the year, but if you can have a cheaper RD that can play on the PP to replace him, then that I would do it
     
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    To add; about RD. Mete also is weaker on the right. And Romanov will soon need to play his natural LD in the top 4. So we need a 3rd type that plays on RD.
     
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    I think he has gotten better but perhaps he should have learned about being a GM in the AHL...Should not have taken his apprenticeship in the NHL. He also should have hired the most qualified instead of surrounding himself with friends. He has done well since the Suzuki trade though and I give him serious accolades for the things he accomplished over the past 5 months.
     
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    yeah, the people he hired was a problem .and his refusal to fire them, was a bigger problem. I hated him for bringing Therien (sp?) back. And then hated him for not getting rid of MT and Lafavbre for so long. still , to my surprise he has done a good job for the last couple of years.
     
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    Yes I feel the same way. I know young players bare some responsibility for their development but the job of an AHL coaching staff is to teach and develop our coveted young prospects, the Habs and LeFebvre failed miserably. I saw prospects regress under LeFebvre and his staff.
     
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    Some games he looks like an all star
    Some games he looks like he should be placed on waivers

    He's a peculiar one this guy, we need more all star games lol
     
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    I was just checking his games played. He's played 220 regular sesaon games and 10 playoff games.

    I think Timmins used to give a number around 200 games for the amount it took a lot of dmen to get comfortable in the NHL. Kulak may be hitting his stride.

    At this point I consider him under-rated and under-paid, a luxury as a #6.
     
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    Absolutely. Colin Miller at 50% retained is my ideal target.

    Kulak has some nice tools by being a big guy and a great skater, and he can do some nice things with the puck(although very inconsistent), but getting an upgrade would help us a lot. You'd ideally want your #6 dman to play more on a team that rolls lines as evenly as us.

    If Kulak was getting less than a million, I would love to keep him. He's too overpriced for what he brings. It's not an urgent move, but it's really the main thing we can look at improving.
     
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    From the games I've seen this year he's looked great. Even better than the bubble. Looks less awkward in the D zone. Provides some nice secondary/tertiary offense. As long as he's not an adventure in his own zone, he's a nice piece back there.

    It's still early but it looks like our pro scouting has been pretty damn good the last few years. Along with the amateur scouting but again it's still early.
     

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