Player Discussion Brett Howden

[Harbour Dog]

can anyone provide how howden's fancy stats look since moving to wing? still a small sample size but just curious since i know they weren't very good at center

Since December 22nd (per Naturalstattrick):

CF% = 44.9%
FF% = 43.7%
xGF% - 42.2%
HDCF% = 46.8%

So still terrible. His PDO also looks to be leaning towards the "lucky" side of the spectrum over that time frame.

 

[aufheben]

Since December 22nd (per Naturalstattrick):

CF% = 44.9%
FF% = 43.7%
xGF% - 42.2%
HDCF% = 46.8%

So still terrible. His PDO also looks to be leaning towards the "lucky" side of the spectrum over that time frame.

Aren't those stats significantly improved?

 

[Harbour Dog]

Aren't those stats significantly improved?

Wouldn't be able to tell you.

I've stopped checking advanced stats for the team until we're good again; because the team is young and ass, I don't think the picture they paint is necessarily indicative of where some of these guys will be at when it matters in a couple years.

Plus, they're f***ing depressing.

edit - I will say that from a brief scan of his numbers prior to being moved to wing, they looked pretty similar.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Since December 22nd (per Naturalstattrick):

CF% = 44.9%
FF% = 43.7%
xGF% - 42.2%
HDCF% = 46.8%

So still terrible. His PDO also looks to be leaning towards the "lucky" side of the spectrum over that time frame.

But what's his intentions/60?

 

[haohmaru]

Since December 22nd (per Naturalstattrick):

CF% = 44.9%
FF% = 43.7%
xGF% - 42.2%
HDCF% = 46.8%

So still terrible. His PDO also looks to be leaning towards the "lucky" side of the spectrum over that time frame.

Great. Another incident for Lias to reference.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Those stats are so worthless. Howden plays with 2 scrubs all the time. So don't expect him to improve. If he was playing with Bennett and Jankowski, his offensive numbers would improve once those guys found their games again. Smith, Halen, McKegg, etc.... Give me a break. Nobody would look good with those scrubs.

 

[RGY]

Advanced stats aside, Howden has looked better in a less demanding role going to the wing. I thought he made some very good defensive plays against the Islanders the other night.

He still could be better. But I think he can naturally get better by maturing even more physically and gaining the experience. He will have an even better feel for the league. He needs to get stronger. He does get in on the forecheck very well and if he can improve on those areas he can make that part of his game a specialty that helps retrieve pucks leading to possession.

This coming from one of his biggest critics

 

[nyr2k2]

Howden does well when he's aggressive and goes to the net, plays a hard game and fights in the corners. He shows some good stuff. He also goes whole periods or games where he looks like he's lost and is totally ineffective. Not uncommon for a player his age to be inconsistent, but it would be nice to see him start playing that effective style on a more regular basis.

 

[will1066]

But what's his intentions/60?

They're good.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They're good.

Phew. That's a relief.

 

[Harbour Dog]

But what's his intentions/60?

Again according to Naturalstattrick, Howden gives approximately 5.2 f***s/60.

 

[Raspewtin]

Howden does well when he's aggressive and goes to the net, plays a hard game and fights in the corners. He shows some good stuff. He also goes whole periods or games where he looks like he's lost and is totally ineffective. Not uncommon for a player his age to be inconsistent, but it would be nice to see him start playing that effective style on a more regular basis.

Howden is about to turn 22 and his whole game is predicated on being a gamer on the boards and around the net. I don't think he's going to significantly improve based on the fact that he's young. He's just not smart or talented tbh.

 

[NYR Viper]

Howden is about to turn 22 and his whole game is predicated on being a gamer on the boards and around the net. I don't think he's going to significantly improve based on the fact that he's young. He's just not smart or talented tbh.

His whole game is not based on being a 'gamer'. From his time in juniors that's not true. He's always been a guy who has a real solid 2-way game an knows where to be on the ice. Unfortunately, for him and the Rangers, his style hasn't transitioned immediately to the NHL, probably because his speed ans strength are behind his competition. That's not surprising as he's 22 and his body type appears to be more lanky and wiry.

I think he has looked much improved on the wing keeping his game simple and winning board battles.

 

[Raspewtin]

His whole game is not based on being a 'gamer'. From his time in juniors that's not true. He's always been a guy who has a real solid 2-way game an knows where to be on the ice. Unfortunately, for him and the Rangers, his style hasn't transitioned immediately to the NHL, probably because his speed ans strength are behind his competition. That's not surprising as he's 22 and his body type appears to be more lanky and wiry.

I think he has looked much improved on the wing keeping his game simple and winning board battles.

okay then maybe gamer was a bad term but as you alluded to his ability to be defensively sound and physically engaged is limited by how unaware he is of where to be on the ice. he's also not very quick and loses a lot of 1 on 1 battles he engages in.

I'm sure he can bulk up but besides that he's been really dumb at the NHL level, with and without the puck. You can teach positioning but I think the fact that he's so unnoticable yet so bad is a product of the fact that his awareness and hockey IQ is really poor.

 

[Leetch3]

Those stats are so worthless. Howden plays with 2 scrubs all the time. So don't expect him to improve. If he was playing with Bennett and Jankowski, his offensive numbers would improve once those guys found their games again. Smith, Halen, McKegg, etc.... Give me a break. Nobody would look good with those scrubs.

he's been playing with chytil and kakko since being moved to wing

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

What is the deal with Howden? What did Rangers see in him when they made a trade? What is preventing him from having more success in NHL? Why is his scoring worse than his rookie season?

 

[Vitto79]

What is the deal with Howden? What did Rangers see in him when they made a trade? What is preventing him from having more success in NHL? Why is his scoring worse than his rookie season?

Well I just don’t think he’s much more than a 4th line pker

He won’t be protected in expansion

 

[ThirdEye]

I remember Ola voiced some concerns over Howden's game before he made the jump and he was mostly right. This guy at minimum needs some AHL seasoning

 

[Raspewtin]

Howden is in Hajek territory for me where i want to send him to the A and don’t want to see him again barring massive improvement. he’s just a useless player.

What is the deal with Howden? What did Rangers see in him when they made a trade? What is preventing him from having more success in NHL? Why is his scoring worse than his rookie season?

what’s preventing him from having more success is that he sucks

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I remember Ola voiced some concerns over Howden's game before he made the jump and he was mostly right. This guy at minimum needs some AHL seasoning

But he shows good intentions

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

So far, the McD trade looks like a bust.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Well I just don’t think he’s much more than a 4th line pker

He won’t be protected in expansion

I am sure he will get traded way before that anyway

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Howden's ceiling at this point is a defensive third liner than can pot you 15 goals, and that's fine because the Rangers need defensive forwards that can PK. I have no problem with Howdy if that's what he develops into; I never felt like he was supposed to or was going to be a 30 goal guy

 

[Kupo]

So far, the McD trade looks like a bust.

Possibly, but knowing we’re not saddled with this makes me happy.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Possibly, but knowing we’re not saddled with this makes me happy.

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And that AAV would have been closer to 8m if he signed with us