Brent Seabrook announces [LTIR] retirement

[Kimota]

He seemed to have dropped fast in recent years but same thing happened to Kieth and Toews. But that whole squad were World breakers, they won two cups in a couple of years and were one of the most dominant teams in recent memories. Almost a dynasty. Seabrook was one of my favorite D, just loved his style, could hit, skilled, great shot and handsome to boot. Almost perfect specimen. lol

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

And Datsyuk

Datsyuk actually played in the KHL for 5 yrs, still currently playing well/producing. Has won a KHL Championship, went to KHL All-Star games etc.

He is not like the others.

 

[Mr Positive]

People like this are the absolute worst. The dude had double hip surgery at 35 and tried to keep playing and failed. His doctors want to give him a god damn hip replacement before 40. Would you rather teams ice corpses that legitimately cannot play hockey for medical reasons just out of fairness? If you can’t physically play anymore, you can’t f***ing play.

You are a f***ing moron if you think the seabrook and kovy situations are comparable. It’s honestly not worth even getting in to that

I agree, kind of, but there's a point on the other side. Every player who ages out of the league is technically having a medical issue, no? Age is all about deterioration and mounting injuries. It seems like there is a line that isnt so clear

 

[ColbyChaos]

He seemed to have dropped fast in recent years but same thing happened to Kieth and Toews. But that whole squad were World breakers, they won two cups in a couple of years and were one of the most dominant teams in recent memories. Almost a dynasty. Seabrook was one of my favorite D, just loved his style, could hit, skilled, great shot and handsome to boot. Almost perfect specimen. lol

Doesnt help with Toews and Keith and Kane (to an extent since USA never really advanced far ever) there was olympic/WCOH games being sandwiched in there as well from 2010-17.

 

[boredmale]

For all the people who didn't want to take Seabrook and a 2nd for a 7th, screw you

 

[Kuznetsnow]

One retired due to being allergic to his jersey, this one retires due to being allergic to playing well.

Go hawks!

Just because even after double hip replacement he'd still be a better player than 150 million dollars worth of Sharks defensemen doesn't mean he's medically fit to play

 

[Kuznetsnow]

The Hawks signed all these guys to ridiculously long contracts so they could bring the cap hit down. Then when the guys are past their primes and they get put on LTIR until the contract runs out. Player still gets paid, Hawks are allowed to go over the salary cap. Wash, rinse, repeat.

How does the contract Seabrook signed in 2016 help the Hawks win cups between 2010 and 2015?

 

[David71]

brent seabrook was a elite pure shutdown dman in his prime. him and keith during their 3 cup runs. that pairing was alway on the ice everytime against the opposing teams best players. scoring clutch goals. good luck to brent in his life afterhockey. injuries really took a toll on him. damn hip surgeries.

 

[CanadienShark]

He had a hell of career. All the best to him.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Just because even after double hip replacement he'd still be a better player than 150 million dollars worth of Sharks defensemen doesn't mean he's medically fit to play

Seabrook (and the Hawks) haven’t been good in over half a decade. Now they’re wiggling out of bad contracts. It’s obvious and no amount of stupid jokes will change that.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

Seabrook (and the Hawks) haven’t been good in over half a decade. Now they’re wiggling out of bad contracts. It’s obvious and no amount of stupid jokes will change that.

They're not meant to play through career ending injuries just to make sharks fans feel better about dumping 150 million on players putting up the same level of performance without any. That's not the point of LTIR

 

[Mrfenn92]

Seabrook (and the Hawks) haven’t been good in over half a decade. Now they’re wiggling out of bad contracts. It’s obvious and no amount of stupid jokes will change that.

Last I looked the contract is still here

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

They're not meant to play through career ending injuries just to make sharks fans feel better about dumping 150 million on players putting up the same level of performance without any. That's not the point of LTIR

Apparently you have severe allergies to logic and common sense.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

Apparently you have severe allergies to logic and common sense.

I'm not the one who doesn't understand what an injury is lmao

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

I'm not the one who doesn't understand what an injury is lmao

Everyone knew he wouldn’t make it to the end of it one way or another. Same with Hossa. There’s a reason why the next cba had more contract restrictions in it.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Datsyuk actually played in the KHL for 5 yrs, still currently playing well/producing. Has won a KHL Championship, went to KHL All-Star games etc.

He is not like the others.

Damn he's still playing? Good for him. Hell of a player.

 

[Kuznetsnow]

Everyone knew he wouldn’t make it to the end of it one way or another. Same with Hossa. There’s a reason why the next cba had more contract restrictions in it.

Seabrook signed his current contract after the "next cba with more restrictions"

Keith signed his way before yet is playing all of it out.

Hossa retired following a season where he was productive and still worth his cap hit, by all accounts wanted to keep playing and the Hawks missed his contributions the following year and would have been better off with him vs whatever plug they spent the cap hit on. Though his condition seems preposterous to someone who's never laced up skates he's not the only one to be forced to retire from it

Your problem seems to be with players getting too injured to play in their mid-late 30s while on contracts that go into their late 30s/early 40s. Fact is most NHLers are ground beef propped up by painkillers by the time they're 35 putting off career ending surgeries like Seabrook was. Especially physical high profile ones who get the biggest dose of tough love from opposing teams and play the most high profile minutes on the biggest stages. They might eek by if they never engage in physical contact like Marleau but statistically the odds are stacked against them. Their retirements are medically valid. If anything the crackdown should be on players that keep playing when their body can no longer take it like Kesler, Quincey or Luongo. Parise and Karlsson will probably be in that category soon. The only real solution is to cap any contract signed before 35 at 35 and then institute a 2-3 year cap on contracts signed after that age

 

[Geoist]

So Toews, Kane, Keith, and Hjalmarsson are the only guys left in the league from those cup runs, and Toews has a huge question mark on him right now.

Damn.

All those playoff games take their toll.

 

[Critical13]

What a mockery of the cap these contracts have become.

 

[Pez68]

What a mockery of the cap these contracts have become.

What a mockery of intelligence this post is.

 

[Brightwing]

He seemed to have dropped fast in recent years but same thing happened to Kieth and Toews. But that whole squad were World breakers, they won two cups in a couple of years and were one of the most dominant teams in recent memories. Almost a dynasty. Seabrook was one of my favorite D, just loved his style, could hit, skilled, great shot and handsome to boot. Almost perfect specimen. lol

Keith can still skate and has burst. Has his play dropped somewhat? Yes. But he is still an NHL player playing top pairing minutes for the Hawks. Before his surgeries, Seabrook did not have the mobility to be an NHL player.

Incidentally, Keith is the only one on a cap recapture contract and I fully expect him to play until it's done. He's remarkable. At 37, there are only two dmen in the league older than him: Green and Chara. Giordano is a bit younger but also 37.

Toews has played well recently too, especially in the bubble that's why this illness is so shocking. His career high in goals and points was actually in 2018-19 and be had 60 points in 70 games last season.

 

[JaegerDice]

Brent Seabrook does not have a back-diving contract.

His contract would be as legal and penalty-free today as the day it was signed.

Suggesting this is cap circumvention is tantamount to saying ANY player retiring due to injury is cheating.

Hockey is a violent, physical sport. Players are going to be forced to stop playing before they want to.

 

[Kurtosis]

Everyone knew he wouldn’t make it to the end of it one way or another. Same with Hossa. There’s a reason why the next cba had more contract restrictions in it.

It would behoove of you to start getting your facts straight. Best of luck to your squad though.

 

[Voight]

Seabrook (and the Hawks) haven’t been good in over half a decade. Now they’re wiggling out of bad contracts. It’s obvious and no amount of stupid jokes will change that.

They aren't wiggling out of anything. Hossa has an extremely rare condition. Like one in a million chance of getting it I'm pretty sure. Seabrook's body has been reduced to rubble after 1,000+ games, the Olympics and multiple long playoff runs.

I know as a Sharks fan you're not used to seeing your team go on long playoff runs, but it wear guys down. Especially when you do it on a consistent basis (2009,2010,2013,2014,2015).

Father Time is undefeated.

 

[COHawk]

The Hawks signed all these guys to ridiculously long contracts so they could bring the cap hit down. Then when the guys are past their primes and they get put on LTIR until the contract runs out. Player still gets paid, Hawks are allowed to go over the salary cap. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Have you ever looked at Seabrook's contract history? Honest question. Take a look:

3 year deal - 2005-2008
3 year deal - 2008-2011
5 year deal - 2011-2016

What part of that is "ridiculously long." Seabrook signed his last deal long after the Hawks were any good. It did not help them. At all. You are a joke.