Brent Burns is 19th in TOI/17th in Points. Erik Karlsson, 12th/40th.

Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by Registered User, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Registered User

    Registered User Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2012
    Messages:
    139
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Burns is playing 24:17 minutes a night, good for 19th overall. And he's put up 49 points, tied for 17th.

    Karlsson's no slouch either, and he's back to playing at a high level. He plays 35 seconds more per game, 24:52, good for 12th overall. And he has 41 points in two fewer games played, and has had at least one assist in 14 straight games.

    But Burns is the most dominant player on his team by a large margin. He's more physical, possesses a much more dangerous shot, affects the game directly on both sides of the ice by back checking effectively, and can simply take over a game at will when he's at his best.

    Karlsson is a far better passer, but at times kind of like a riverboat gambler, and he is simply horrendous on the back check. They are equally good at seeing the ice and bringing the puck into the zone.

    I was really curious how these two players would stack up if I watched them the same amount, and at least so far, it's not close. Brent Burns is better. If Erik Karlsson can play dogged defense, I have yet to see it.

    Did the people who watch a lot more hockey than me already know this?
     
  2. Hellraising Senator

    Hellraising Senator Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2017
    Messages:
    295
    Likes Received:
    159
    Trophy Points:
    47
    Guessing you stat watch and are not actually watching the games. Terrible take is terrible.
     
  3. Mulletman

    Mulletman Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    2,155
    Likes Received:
    958
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Karlsson is stepping on the gas right now. 1+24=25 Points in 14 games. If Burns doesn't Watch out, Karlsson will pass him in Points soon. My original prediction of both Karlsson and Burns hitting 90 poits this season is looking pretty good right now. :)
     
    Iron Mosher likes this.
  4. Sens

    Sens Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2016
    Messages:
    2,909
    Likes Received:
    526
    Trophy Points:
    94
    EK just shutdown Kucherov and McDavid within the last week
     
  5. CaptainShark

    CaptainShark Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2004
    Messages:
    3,194
    Likes Received:
    245
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Location:
    Fulda, Germany
    Is that you, Burnsie? I know it’s tough to handle when you put up 14 points in 7 games from the back end and your buddy wearing 65 still gains 3 points on you in that time-frame...
     
  6. Corto

    Corto Faceless Man

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2005
    Messages:
    15,050
    Likes Received:
    376
    Trophy Points:
    154
    Location:
    Braavos
    I thought we were over the whole "Karlsson can't play defense" rubbish years ago.
     
    Last edited by moderator Ultima: Jan 9, 2019
  7. KaseMeOutside

    KaseMeOutside Based

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    38,263
    Likes Received:
    2,023
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Karlsson is better anyone with functioning vision can see it
     
    WesMcCauley likes this.
  8. Rschmitz

    Rschmitz Yzermaned

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    9,501
    Likes Received:
    1,206
    Trophy Points:
    184
    Occupation:
    School
    Location:
    Tampa Bay
    Home Page:
    When the Bolts played SJ, I thought Burns had a great shot, but Karlsson easily looked like the more dynamic player and had the speed to shut down a lot of what we were trying to do. Was impressed.
     
  9. Dicdonya

    Dicdonya Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2011
    Messages:
    2,169
    Likes Received:
    549
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Location:
    San Jose
    simply someone with a severe bias against Karlsson. Absolutely laughable stating Karlsson is “horrendous” on the back check.
     
    Last edited by moderator Ultima: Jan 9, 2019
  10. NyQuil

    NyQuil Neon NyQuil

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2005
    Messages:
    63,979
    Likes Received:
    9,416
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    Ottawa, ON
    I would say the people know a lot more about hockey than you.
     
    Corto, Bobby Terrance and BondraTime like this.
  11. NiL8r87

    NiL8r87 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2009
    Messages:
    2,727
    Likes Received:
    329
    Trophy Points:
    94
    I don't know if you've heard, but apparently less TOI is a detriment to your credibility even if you do have more points.
     
  12. blankall

    blankall Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2007
    Messages:
    8,553
    Likes Received:
    456
    Trophy Points:
    124
    Wow. Didn't even notice that Karlsson had turned it on this much. Yeah.... It will be close to see who finishes with more points.

    Contrary to what the OP says, Karlsson is great at getting back to play defense due to superior skating. I'd definitely take Karlsson over Burns in that category. Burns' biggest advantage over Karlsson is size and general nastiness. Karlsson has better skating and overall game awareness though.
     
  13. Sysreq

    Sysreq Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2015
    Messages:
    1,972
    Likes Received:
    254
    Trophy Points:
    79
    If Karlsson keeps his current pace, he’ll end above 100 PTs... as a defenseman. 25 points in the past 14 games. 30 games from now, he could be above 100 points. That’s unreal.
     
  14. WesMcCauley

    WesMcCauley Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2015
    Messages:
    7,660
    Likes Received:
    1,414
    Trophy Points:
    94
    The only thing Burns does better is his shot. Karlsson is better at pretty much everything else and overall a better twoway defensemen.
     
  15. senators101

    senators101 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2008
    Messages:
    6,125
    Likes Received:
    494
    Trophy Points:
    124
    Location:
    T.O.
    Without back checking.
     
  16. FerrisRox

    FerrisRox "Wanna go, Prettyboy?"

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2003
    Messages:
    12,464
    Likes Received:
    2,183
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    It's pretty difficult to take anything you say seriously when you offer a take like this that is absolutely clueless.
     
  17. Mulletman

    Mulletman Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    2,155
    Likes Received:
    958
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Karlsson is not better at growing a beard...
     
    Troubadour likes this.
  18. Rhaegar Targaryen

    Rhaegar Targaryen Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2016
    Messages:
    2,806
    Likes Received:
    1,068
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Karlsson has always been much better than Burns, and obviously still is
     
  19. Clowe Me

    Clowe Me Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Messages:
    40,549
    Likes Received:
    1,859
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    530
    They're both great. Don't hate.
     
    Iron Mosher and JFG like this.
  20. hockfan1991

    hockfan1991 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2010
    Messages:
    1,589
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    71
    Lets be quick to judge, he may have a glass eye
     
    Monsieur Gustave H likes this.
  21. QJL

    QJL Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2014
    Messages:
    2,580
    Likes Received:
    438
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Karlsson has been the best defender in the world since he returned to form. Anyone watching the games can see that.
     
    Last edited by moderator Bear of Bad News: Jan 10, 2019 at 2:06 PM
  22. Deen

    Deen Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2010
    Messages:
    6,162
    Likes Received:
    859
    Trophy Points:
    158
    Giordano says hello.
     
  23. Phu

    Phu Registered User

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    19,205
    Likes Received:
    1,432
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Hmm, I think the take is kinda hot, but I'll have to look closer at karlssons back checking. Iirc he has been scored on several times when back checking and I notice his short stick may not be able to get all the way around the attacker to the puck, and I haven't seen him go between the legs. He also doesn't have much ability to body the attacker.
     
    Last edited by moderator Ultima: Jan 10, 2019 at 11:51 PM
  24. QJL

    QJL Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2014
    Messages:
    2,580
    Likes Received:
    438
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Gio has been the best defenseman this season and is currently my pick for the Norris. Karlsson has been the best since late November.
     
    travis scott likes this.
  25. authentic

    authentic Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2015
    Messages:
    13,591
    Likes Received:
    1,712
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Damnit, safe to say he's back?
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"