Eklund Rumor: Brayden Schenn for Kevin Shattenkirk

[Hockeypete49]

I honestly would love to see Shatty to Philly too. I thought I was the only one just cause majority of philly fans are dead set against it. Philly has great d prospects coming in, but they are just prospects and still it's unknown how they will turn out. I think Phillys time to seriously compete is around now, and not in 3-4 years when the prospects start entering their prime if they do hit it... To be honest having phillys forwards with Shatty on the back end and also Ghost on another pair on the back end would be entertaining as hell to watch... wow

Yes we made the playoffs last year( which for the most part was kind of unexpected) and that is during Ron's rebuild of the team for the long term. There is no more giving up players and/or draft picks or dumping a ton of cash for a flash in the pan or aging vet. Ron has a plan and for the most part it is building through the draft and being patient. Kevin is a very good player who makes $4.250 million now so his next contract(he will be a UFA next year) I would guess will push his salary up to the six million area. Plus you are giving up one of our core youth players(my opinion) who is a forward who just keeps on improving. With Provorov (who will make the club), and Sanheim, Morin, Hagg, among others knocking on the door, this team is stacked on defense. Like I said Kevin is a good player who will get traded to a team like Boston and get a big fat contract but not here( do you really think he can carry a team on his back?). The Flyers are just starting to open the door to the playoffs now we want to be a team that others will take notice of then be a team that is among that group who has a good shot at the cup. It takes time and patience. Hang in there and enjoy what Ron is doing with his Flyers.

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

Mike Richards weeps quietly in the corner when reading this post

Mike was no Claude, Flyers knew it. Credit to Homer for that at least.

 

[FlyRoutine]

And 30 and older it's 30%, and 31 and older it's 15%. It's a big drop off once players hit their 30s.

And for the person who brought up Pittsburgh, the only forwards over 30 were Fehr, Kunitz, and Cullen. Their impact forwards are still in their high impact years.

Well, so what move for Shattenkirk, do you think, would make sense for the Flyers?

Schenn for Shattenkirk obviously isnt one of them.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Shattenkirk+forward for Schenn+Streit+? might make sense, but that forward would have to be more than Paajarvi than Eklund indicated. I think if it was someone like Berglund or Jaskin, then it could work, because Philly would have someone to slot in the 2nd/3rd lines. Philly would have to throw something else in, but that's the way I could see something work.

Well, so what move for Shattenkirk, do you think, would make sense for the Flyers?

Schenn for Shattenkirk obviously isnt one of them.

That one. That's the only one that makes sense for both sides. Konecny would make sense for St. Louis, but I doubt Philly would want to do that.

 

[FlyRoutine]

That one. That's the only one that makes sense for both sides. Konecny would make sense for St. Louis, but I doubt Philly would want to do that.

No it doesnt make sense. The Flyers already need talented young forwards.
Who fills the glaring hole, Schenn will leave to the team? Paajarvi? Dont make me laugh. Konecny? He still needs to show, that he can stay healthy and endure NHL grind. I am still concerned about that.

 

[bleedblue1223]

No it doesnt make sense. The Flyers already need talented young forwards.
Who fills the glaring hole, Schenn will leave to the team? Paajarvi? Dont make me laugh. Konecny? He still needs to show, that he can stay healthy and endure NHL grind. I am still concerned about that.

Read my post again.

 

[Gsus]

Konecny is untouchable in my mind. The guy has superstar potential if he stays healthy and can reach his ceiling. Not many guys his size play the game with the tenacity he has.

Flyers already will have a monster defence in a few years so Shattenkirk would bring his right hand and a vet precense. I'm not sure if being competitive earlier and adding (a valuable yes) RHD is worth losing Schenn.

 

[westc2]

As people have said..it will either take a top center prospect, a very high draft pick, or an established 1st liner that immediately improves the Blues forwards to acquire Shattenkirk.

The Blues are a cup contending team and trading Shattenkirk for table scraps would be completely stupid.

 

[Jack de la Hoya]

As people have said..it will either take a top center prospect, a very high draft pick, or an established 1st liner that immediately improves the Blues forwards to acquire Shattenkirk.

The Blues are a cup contending team and trading Shattenkirk for table scraps would be completely stupid.

Schenn is a first liner. Given Shattenkirk's contract status and the Flyers organization depth at D, this makes very little sense for them.

 

[bauer]

how many times does it have to be said? the Flyers do not need Shattenkirk. he is not a Doughty or Keith type defenseman. he is not good defensively. his value comes from his play on the PP. and the Flyers already have a PP specialist on D with Ghost. and soon Provorov and Sanheim will be able to play the PP as well. aside from being a RHD, they have absolutely no use for him. Shattenkirk doesn't help the team at all. I wouldn't even sign him if he was a UFA, let alone trade one of our much needed top 6 forwards for him. the Flyers do not need defense. they need another top 6 forward.

 

[FlyRoutine]

Read my post again.

My bad, didnt notice you suggested Jaskin instead of Paajarvi, but it sill doesnt make sense for the Flyers.

Though Jaskin is a nice piece and ~1 1/2 y younger, he is still somewhat unproven and nowhere near Schenns level.

Considering our D and F prospectpool, it just doesnt make sense for the Flyers to trade one of their best and only young forwards for unsigned D and a big downgrade on the wing.

Jaskin has the all the potential, but it would still be a big gamble. At that stage of the rebuild the Flyers shouldnt need to gamble anymore.

Though also a nice piece, Berglund doesnt make sense either. I think I dont need to explain why.

 

[Curufinwe]

Are you serious? That's terrible for the Flyers. Schenn > Silfverberg and Streit >>> Stoner. Stoner is terrible and has an added year on his contract that would be problematic when the Flyers are trying to bring up some of the young D prospects.

He'd be a 6/7 and his cap hit would be manageable next season.

I guess you missed the solid forward prospect part of the proposal.

 

[Majorityof1]

Capwise, how do the Blues pull this off? Paajarvi + Shattenkirk is a smidge under $5m. Streit alone costs more than that. Adding whatever Schenn gets would be all additional cap. This would eat almost all of our cushion for Scwartz. Even including Berglund might not be enough. Jaskin definitely wouldn't. Lehtera may work, but Schenn has never really slid in comfortably as a center in the NHL. He worked better as a wing from my viewings. We'd be down a center. I just don't see a deal where Philly can dump Streit with it. that's not even looking at it from Philly's side which has some issues as well.

 

[ponder719]

Capwise, how do the Blues pull this off? Paajarvi + Shattenkirk is a smidge under $5m. Streit alone costs more than that. Adding whatever Schenn gets would be all additional cap. This would eat almost all of our cushion for Scwartz. Even including Berglund might not be enough. Jaskin definitely wouldn't. Lehtera may work, but Schenn has never really slid in comfortably as a center in the NHL. He worked better as a wing from my viewings. We'd be down a center. I just don't see a deal where Philly can dump Streit with it. that's not even looking at it from Philly's side which has some issues as well.

The only way to make it work, and I'm not remotely suggesting that this is the right deal for the two sides, just looking at cap and position only, would be to make this an even larger deal.

Shattenkirk, Lehtera, & Jaskin

-for-

Schenn, Streit, & Laughton (or Cousins)

Presuming Steen and Stastny are your 1/2 (and I'd be floored if that changed), and you want Schenn to stay on the wing, where I imagine he'd be your 2RW, you would be able to either move Brodziak up to line 3 and play Laughton/Cousins on line 4, or if you want Brodziak to remain in his current role (at least, I think he's your 4C, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken), you'd have the option of trying Laughton/Cousins in a 3rd line role. Streit, as mentioned, would serve in Shattenkirk's role, on a limited basis, and Schenn would be a huge boost to your top 6.

For Philly, we'd look something like this:

Voracek/Giroux/Simmonds
Raffl/Couturier/Jaskin
Read/Lehtera/Weise
Bellemare/Gordon/Laughton or Cousins
Lyubimov or VandeVelde

Again, don't know if that makes sense for the long term, I think I like Philly's lineup with Schenn better than I do with Shattenkirk at this point, but that's probably what it'd take to make the money work for both teams.

 

[mercury]

For Philly, we'd look something like this:

Voracek/Giroux/Simmonds
Raffl/Couturier/Jaskin
Read/Lehtera/Weise
Bellemare/Gordon/Laughton or Cousins
Lyubimov or VandeVelde

Again, don't know if that makes sense for the long term, I think I like Philly's lineup with Schenn better than I do with Shattenkirk at this point, but that's probably what it'd take to make the money work for both teams.

Konecny has a chance to play his way onto the team this year. He is crazy talented.

 

[ponder719]

Konecny has a chance to play his way onto the team this year. He is crazy talented.

He does, yes, but given that Hexy's on record as saying he didn't even want Ghost in the NHL last year, I'm not exactly writing Konecny or Provorov's names in pen on my scorecard just yet.

I have high hopes that we'll see them both, but I'd rather be conservative until I know which way we'll go.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

In 3-4 years, Giroux, Voracek, and Simmonds will be getting into their 30s. Philly is in a weird stage, where their best chance to succeed is one those 3 are at the top of their game.

ya ive always wondered what stage they are at right now too. I love watching the team play and love a few players on the team but I just don't know what stage they are at... they have some extremely good prospects coming in over the next couple years that will be good, yet also have 3 top players(Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds) that take up a huge chunk of the salary cap and are currently in the primes. I don't see the team good enough to win it all, but they aren't bad that they will be a bottom team. Honestly I see them as a team that will always get into playoffs but most likely wont get past the 1st round. By no means am I trying to offend the fans or anything and I have said multiple times that Hextall is one of the most underrated GM's in the league, but I just cant figure this team out. Id love to see them make a trade or 2 and really try to contend over the next couple of years. I even have a good friend that is a die hard Philly fan and sometimes he says they will win the cup, but then sometimes he talks about the youth and says they should rebuild haha... even he sounds confused

Even though Id like to see a puck mover dman in his prime join the Flyers, and I do love Shattenkirk and I would love to see him in Philly, but contract wise it just wouldn't make sense once he signs his extension. Some team will pay up huge for him

 

[Jumptheshark]

Personally I think the Blues are getting somewhat desperate to move Shattenkirk instead of losing him for nothing next summer

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Personally I think the Blues are getting somewhat desperate to move Shattenkirk instead of losing him for nothing next summer

well its a tricky situation cause there are rumors he only wants certain teams back east to sign his extension with... if he agrees to many more teams, a deal will be done so damn fast and Blues will get a giant return

 

[Jumptheshark]

well its a tricky situation cause there are rumors he only wants certain teams back east to sign his extension with... if he agrees to many more teams, a deal will be done so damn fast and Blues will get a giant return

if I am one of the teams that has been mentioned he wants to go to--I will wait till next June 28th after the expansion and nhl entry draft. If you trade for him now and sign him--you will need to protect him and then maybe lose another asset.

I do not see the blues getting as much as they hope for him. Giving up a boat load of assets and then maybe losing another asset in the expansion draft to protect him is a high cost and poor asset management

 

[bleedblue1223]

if I am one of the teams that has been mentioned he wants to go to--I will wait till next June 28th after the expansion and nhl entry draft. If you trade for him now and sign him--you will need to protect him and then maybe lose another asset.

I do not see the blues getting as much as they hope for him. Giving up a boat load of assets and then maybe losing another asset in the expansion draft to protect him is a high cost and poor asset management

Teams don't think like this. If Shattenkirk signed an extension, we'd have Hall. That's more how teams think. They will want him now or at least the time to convince him to stay. Acquiring his rights doesn't do a whole lot unless you want to pay his true UFA worth. A team won't take that risk because it only takes 1 of the other teams to make a move for him first.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

if I am one of the teams that has been mentioned he wants to go to--I will wait till next June 28th after the expansion and nhl entry draft. If you trade for him now and sign him--you will need to protect him and then maybe lose another asset.

I do not see the blues getting as much as they hope for him. Giving up a boat load of assets and then maybe losing another asset in the expansion draft to protect him is a high cost and poor asset management

ya I hear what you are saying, but id imagine if a team did that, then they would lose out cause another team would gladly trade for him and protect him. Im thinking its just a matter of time till hes a Bruin or a RedWing

 

[Gsus]

ya ive always wondered what stage they are at right now too. I love watching the team play and love a few players on the team but I just don't know what stage they are at... they have some extremely good prospects coming in over the next couple years that will be good, yet also have 3 top players(Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds) that take up a huge chunk of the salary cap and are currently in the primes. I don't see the team good enough to win it all, but they aren't bad that they will be a bottom team. Honestly I see them as a team that will always get into playoffs but most likely wont get past the 1st round. By no means am I trying to offend the fans or anything and I have said multiple times that Hextall is one of the most underrated GM's in the league, but I just cant figure this team out. Id love to see them make a trade or 2 and really try to contend over the next couple of years. I even have a good friend that is a die hard Philly fan and sometimes he says they will win the cup, but then sometimes he talks about the youth and says they should rebuild haha... even he sounds confused
him

Flyers are kind of rebuilding right now but they still made the playoffs. I guess that's the best way to rebuild, no? I would say they are rebuilding but they aren't going Edmonton's way u know.

Elite level prospects up front including the best Defence prospect pool in the league, probably the best goalie prospect pool too and two elite F prospects in Konecny and Rubtsov (+ other good ones). I would say the near future is damn bright for this team.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Flyers are kind of rebuilding right now but they still made the playoffs. I guess that's the best way to rebuild, no? I would say they are rebuilding but they aren't going Edmonton's way u know.

Elite level prospects up front including the best Defence prospect pool in the league, probably the best goalie prospect pool too and two elite F prospects in Konecny and Rubtsov (+ other good ones). I would say the near future is damn bright for this team.

ya I hear what you are saying... I guess I just wish the 3 guys were a bit younger... Giroux is pushing 30, Voracek is almost 27 and Simmonds is 28 soon... id just like to see some major progress be made in the next couple years and hopefully win a cup before these guys are 30-33 years old at a combined 20 mill cap hit.

Just with their team as is right now, I still just see a pretty good team that will make playoffs but probably not get past the 1st round... hopefully im wrong tho!!

 

[Jumptheshark]

I think Shattenkirk knows just where he wants to go