Brando's Top 50 NHL Prospects

QJL

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I think the entire Rangers community has Igor Shestyorkin above Lias Andersson, definitely not 20+ spots behind him on an overall rankings list. Good list overall but big miss on the goalies. Shestyorkin and Sorokin should both be locks for any top 50 prospect list.
 

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How is Brannstrom 9 slots above Liljegren? Liljegren was not only ranked higher pre-draft, but had a better D+1
 

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Kinda just reveals you know very little about both Rasmussen and the Wings.

Kinda reveals you know very little about other team's prospects. The Wing's are garbage, he would not be a top 6 forward this year on 95% of teams.
 

Brando

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How is Brannstrom 9 slots above Liljegren? Liljegren was not only ranked higher pre-draft, but had a better D+1

I don't agree that he had a better D+1. I think Branstrom's tools are far superior as well.
 

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Kinda reveals you know very little about other team's prospects. The Wing's are garbage, he would not be a top 6 forward this year on 95% of teams.
He would have probably made the NHL out of the draft on quite a few other teams. Wings lack elite talent but their forward depth is solid.

Anyway it's kinda of a premature statement and shows your bias against him. I'm sure you have no trouble seeing 5'8'' Yamamoto who had a worse season in juniors as a top 6 forward in the NHL, even though players that small being legit top 6-ers is exceedingly rare.
 

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He would have probably made the NHL out of the draft on quite a few other teams. Wings lack elite talent but their forward depth is solid.

Anyway it's kinda of a premature statement and shows your bias against him. I'm sure you have no trouble seeing 5'8'' Yamamoto who had a worse season in juniors as a top 6 forward in the NHL, even though players that small being legit top 6-ers is exceedingly rare.

Yamamoto has way more dynamic skill than Rasmussen.

I had him like 55, it's not like I hate the player, I think he's a safe bet as a bottom six forward at the very least and a powerplay specialist (ala JVR).

He's a big 19 year-old who is producing like he is expected to at that size, age and draft position. I don't see anything special and I'm sceptical that his skills translate to a regular top 6 forward. We'll see this year, though.
 

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Terrible list.

Just using McKenzie's pre-draft rankings. Which is pretty unanimous as a great list for an unbias average consensus of prospects has the order and ranks of this year's prospects so vastly different than yours it's disgusting.

Team bias grabbing players off the board should not factor into a real list.

Neither should team bias who very obviously drafted purely on position factor into a real list.

You want a list. Start with McKenzie for this year's prospects and rank post draft prospects based on performance around that list.
 

Brando

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Terrible list.

Just using McKenzie's pre-draft rankings. Which is pretty unanimous as a great list for an unbias average consensus of prospects has the order and ranks of this year's prospects so vastly different than yours it's disgusting.

Team bias grabbing players off the board should not factor into a real list.

Neither should team bias who very obviously drafted purely on position factor into a real list.

You want a list. Start with McKenzie for this year's prospects and rank post draft prospects based on performance around that list.

What are you talking about? What a strange comment.
 
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Yamamoto has way more dynamic skill than Rasmussen.
If he didn't, he'd barely be a prospect to begin with at that size. Rasmussen can just shield the puck with his body and reach in situations where a player of Yamamoto's stature has to dangle and constantly move to maintain possession, it may look flashier but it's not necessarily more effective in the long run.
And it feels like a myth that big guys dominate juniors because of their size. In fact tons of tiny players dominate juniors and fail to translate it to the bigger, faster NHL. Big guys often peak later as they take some time to grow into their bodies.
 

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He would have probably made the NHL out of the draft on quite a few other teams. Wings lack elite talent but their forward depth is solid.

Anyway it's kinda of a premature statement and shows your bias against him. I'm sure you have no trouble seeing 5'8'' Yamamoto who had a worse season in juniors as a top 6 forward in the NHL, even though players that small being legit top 6-ers is exceedingly rare.

Yammo had a better season than Rasmussen
 

Brando

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If he didn't, he'd barely be a prospect to begin with at that size. And it feels like a myth that big guys dominate juniors because of their size. In fact tons of tiny players dominate juniors and fail to translate it to the bigger, faster NHL. Big guys often peak later as they take some time to grow into their bodies.

Strange how if you take away the dynamic skill of a player they become a lot worse.
 
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Yammo had a better season than Rasmussen
1.45PPG is better than 1.51PPG?

Yamamoto had lower PPG and GPG than in his draft year.
Strange how if you take away the dynamic skill of a player they become a lot worse.
Again, a 5'8'' hockey player without dynamic skill doesn't even become an NHL prospect. The question with a player that small is whether he has some of the most dynamic skill ever seen in a hockey player, because if he doesn't it's unlikely he will become a regular top 6 NHLer.
 

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1.45PPG is better than 1.51PPG?

Yamamoto had lower PPG and GPG than in his draft year.

Again, a 5'8'' hockey player without dynamic skill doesn't even become an NHL prospect. The question with a player that small is whether he has some of the most dynamic skill ever seen in a hockey player, because if he doesn't it's unlikely he will become a regular top 6 NHLer.

Yes that was the case 10 years ago but not anymore. And you realize there is more to scouting than points per game, right? Why do teams even have scouting departments when you can just open up hockeydb?
 
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Yes that was the case 10 years ago but not anymore. And you realize there is more to scouting than points per game, right? Why do teams even have scouting departments when you can just open up hockeydb?
5'8'' NHLers aren't exactly common these days either and will never be. And those scouts took Rasmussen in the top 10 while Yamamoto was #22.
 

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Im wondering where Hague would slot in your list?

He looks really good. He would probably be in my 70s but his D+1 was really impressive. From 30-100 the players are pretty much the same or the difference is nominal.
 

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He looks really good. He would probably be in my 70s but his D+1 was really impressive. From 30-100 the players are pretty much the same or the difference is nominal.
Yes, I agree with that. I have him in the 40s, but the difference is so small after 25ish.
 

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either take goalies out of it or rate them where they should be as prospects. youre telling me at this point where they are today an nhl team should draft nick merkley 20 spots ahead of carter hart and even further ahead of samsonov and other top goalie prospects? sure its opinion and most ppl dont like rating goalie prospects. personally i think thats a bit foolish because any prospect can boom or bust and at this point id take carter hart and ilya samsonov pretty damn high. no way one of them would be traded one on one for most of these guys out of the top 20. but of course we've seen some pretty bad trades before involving young players and draft picks, so who knows.

edit: dont mind the exaggerated numbers, but you get what i mean. also i would be more cautious during the actual draft year but when ranking top hockey prospects overall i wouldnt be afraid to rank goalies higher. maybe youre not either and you really feel thats where he belongs and that none of the other goalies have more value to a team than your top 50 skaters.
 

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Terrible list.

Just using McKenzie's pre-draft rankings. Which is pretty unanimous as a great list for an unbias average consensus of prospects has the order and ranks of this year's prospects so vastly different than yours it's disgusting.

Team bias grabbing players off the board should not factor into a real list.

Neither should team bias who very obviously drafted purely on position factor into a real list.

You want a list. Start with McKenzie for this year's prospects and rank post draft prospects based on performance around that list.

What are you talking about? What a strange comment.

He wouldn't have said that if you kept everything the same but ranked Bouchard #5.
 
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Brando

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either take goalies out of it or rate them where they should be as prospects. youre telling me at this point where they are today an nhl team should draft nick merkley 20 spots ahead of carter hart and even further ahead of samsonov and other top goalie prospects? sure its opinion and most ppl dont like rating goalie prospects. personally i think thats a bit foolish because any prospect can boom or bust and at this point id take carter hart and ilya samsonov pretty damn high. no way one of them would be traded one on one for most of these guys out of the top 20. but of course we've seen some pretty bad trades before involving young players and draft picks, so who knows.

edit: dont mind the exaggerated numbers, but you get what i mean. also i would be more cautious during the actual draft year but when ranking top hockey prospects overall i wouldnt be afraid to rank goalies higher. maybe youre not either and you really feel thats where he belongs and that none of the other goalies have more value to a team than your top 50 skaters.

Yeah you're right. I probably just should have left them off all together. Ranking goalies among skaters is weird and I admit I'm kind of biased toward taking the skater most of the time .
 

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