Player Discussion Brandon Carlo II

[LouJersey]

What criticisms are you referring to? I think there are some that aren't off base.

1.) Carlo isn't very good offensively

2.) Carlo needs to bring that physicality/nasty (that he displayed at the end of the season) consistently.

There's nothing wrong with looking at the player and the positives/negatives of his game. He is 21, and is already a Top 4 defenseman. He's an excellent skater, especially for his size, and has shown good defensive ability. He does have a lot of experience, and still hasn't hit the 200+ NHL game mark.

perfect post. I love Carlo but he's nowhere near complete, I think he will get there, but nothing is for certain.

 

[The don godfather]

What a steal for a 2nd round pick. Big man that can go toe to toe with auston mathews and shut him down. He's a future tyler myers.

 

[Mpasta]

Love some of the criticisms of Carlo. Dude is 21 freaking years old and has a ton of experience already playing top line NHL minutes.

21.

Yup. If a player is 21 years old, we are not allowed to criticize him. We must all agree that he is better than Dougie Hamilton.

I like Carlo but he has a lot to improve on before we start saying he has the same value as Hamilton and I would imagine most GMs across the league agree with that... and I think Hamilton is overrated

 

[Seidenbergy]

Yup. If a player is 21 years old, we are not allowed to criticize him. We must all agree that he is better than Dougie Hamilton.

I like Carlo but he has a lot to improve on before we start saying he has the same value as Hamilton and I would imagine most GMs across the league agree with that... and I think Hamilton is overrated

NEVER wrote any of this. Please either learn to read or use the reply function correctly.

 

[Mpasta]

NEVER wrote any of this. Please either learn to read or use the reply function correctly.

no u.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

NEVER wrote any of this. Please either learn to read or use the reply function correctly.

What are you saying then? You referenced the criticisms of Carlo and sarcastically said you loved them. Then went on to talk about his age, and how he's a good amount of experience.

I'm curious what criticisms were made that were so off base, you had to comment.

 

[Seidenbergy]

no u.

I appreciate the laziness/refusal to spell out a 3 letter word.

What are you saying then? You referenced the criticisms of Carlo and sarcastically said you loved them. Then went on to talk about his age, and how he's a good amount of experience.

I'm curious what criticisms were made that were so off base, you had to comment.

See Pia's posts and bob27's post from the first page. Pia's posts leave no room for potential improvement at all. What we've seen of his offensive ability so far is all he'll ever have. I disagree with that strongly and agree with pretty much everyone else that he is very young, a work in progress, is improving and has room for even more improvement. I'm also objecting to Bob's use of "regularly" when he talks of Carlo's defensive gaffes this season. Did he have some? Sure. Who doesn't in a long season putting up big minutes? But regularly? Not by my definition.

 

[Mpasta]

I appreciate the laziness/refusal to spell out a 3 letter word.



See Pia's posts and bob27's post from the first page. Pia's posts leave no room for potential improvement at all. What we've seen of his offensive ability so far is all he'll ever have. I disagree with that strongly and agree with pretty much everyone else that he is very young, a work in progress, is improving and has room for even more improvement. I'm also objecting to Bob's use of "regularly" when he talks of Carlo's defensive gaffes this season. Did he have some? Sure. Who doesn't in a long season putting up big minutes? But regularly? Not by my definition.

Pia NEVER wrote any of this. Please either learn to read or use the reply function correctly.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Pia NEVER wrote any of this. Please either learn to read or use the reply function correctly.

1. Ummmm, congrats on not making sense again. Hutch hack your account or what?
2. What's next from you? A post consisting solely of "I know you are but what am I"? Seriously, grow up.....up the meds.....take it to PM......put me on ignore. Whatever you need to do. PLEASE do it.

 

[Mpasta]

1. Ummmm, congrats on not making sense again. Hutch hack your account or what?
2. What's next from you? A post consisting solely of "I know you are but what am I"? Seriously, grow up.....up the meds.....take it to PM......put me on ignore. Whatever you need to do. PLEASE do it.

lol take a deep breath. My doctor told me if I up my meds any more then I'll overdose so please don't tell me what to do. Also, please don't shame people for mental health issues. My dog has anxiety issues and he would be offended if he read this.

Point is, which you don't seem to be getting, just because Carlo is young doesn't mean he can't be criticized. And nobody said that he has no room for improvement.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Point is, which you don't seem to be getting, just because Carlo is young doesn't mean he can't be criticized.

Except I literally posted my agreement with some of the criticisms.....so it's YOU who's not getting it. Again, I have no idea where you are getting this idea that I believe he cannot be criticized at all but it couldn't be further from the truth. Again, reading is your friend.

And nobody said that he has no room for improvement.

Depending on how you read his/her posts, Pia either alluded to it or outright stated it. Either way, it's there and I gave my opinion. Time to move on.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

See Pia's posts and bob27's post from the first page. Pia's posts leave no room for potential improvement at all. .

Pia's Posts:

He doesn't have the offense to be Hamilton's value.

This is fact. Carlo's offense is not even close to Hamilton's, and in the NHL (where points sell), Hamilton's value in a trade is higher at the moment.

And a fraction of his offensive ability. I like Carlo and would keep him, he'll have a long career if he stays healthy. But he's closer to Hjalmarsson/Brodin than Hamilton.

I don't really see any comment here that would allude to Pia thinking that Carlo has "no room for improvement at all".

Bob27's Post:

I'll have to contest this. Hamilton deservedly took a lot of stick for his defensive lapses, but last season Carlo also regularly made some horrible plays that directly lead to goals. He needs to become a rock solid defensive specialist to justify not having any offensive/transition abilities, but he's not there yet. He has good fundamentals and skates very well so hopefully he gets there.

The bolded, which would be the criticism, is followed by the underlined, which is the comment that doesn't give away any type of feeling that Bob doesn't think Carlo won't get better. While I don't agree with Bob on the transition abilities (because I feel he does move the puck well), he's right in saying the the offense is not there yet. He was better in his rookie season, than this season. Maybe it was a combination of sophomore slump and playing with Krug, who is offensive.

I like Carlo, as I said above, but the criticisms above are warranted, and nothing said, by either poster, gives the impression of him not having any room for improvement. Hell, if Carlo was able to develop into a Hjalmarsson/Brodin type, that's pretty damn good. Those are two solid defensive Top 4 defenseman.

 

[frickinbobby]

perfect post. I love Carlo but he's nowhere near complete, I think he will get there, but nothing is for certain.

 

[frickinbobby]

perfect post. I love Carlo but he's nowhere near complete, I think he will get there, but nothing is for certain.

perfect post. I love Carlo but he's nowhere near complete, I think he will get there, but nothing is for certain.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Delete. The above does make me think they should implement something that prevents people from quoting a post and posting it, without responding to it. Bobby is struggling lmfao

 

[Seidenbergy]

Pia's Posts:



This is fact. Carlo's offense is not even close to Hamilton's, and in the NHL (where points sell), Hamilton's value in a trade is higher at the moment.



I don't really see any comment here that would allude to Pia thinking that Carlo has "no room for improvement at all".

I disagree based off his/her omission of any language alluding to his potential in that area. To me, it looks like the poster is implying that offensive ability is static, whereas everyone else here made it clear that he has potential to grow in that area.

Bob27's Post:

The bolded, which would be the criticism, is followed by the underlined, which is the comment that doesn't give away any type of feeling that Bob doesn't think Carlo won't get better. While I don't agree with Bob on the transition abilities (because I feel he does move the puck well), he's right in saying the the offense is not there yet. He was better in his rookie season, than this season. Maybe it was a combination of sophomore slump and playing with Krug, who is offensive.

I like Carlo, as I said above, but the criticisms above are warranted, and nothing said, by either poster, gives the impression of him not having any room for improvement. Hell, if Carlo was able to develop into a Hjalmarsson/Brodin type, that's pretty damn good. Those are two solid defensive Top 4 defenseman.

No, no, no. Read my original comment about Bob's post again. I am literally ONLY disagreeing with his use of the word "REGULAR" when discussing Carlo's gaffes. Nothing about potential at all. That was solely directed at Pia. My post was very clear about that.

 

[BMC]

If Carlo was tailoring his game to shield Krug defensively he needs to stop doing it- first of all for the sake of the growth of his own game and second for the sake of the growth of Krug's game.

I truly loved the way Carlo was playing before he got hurt- he seemed much harder to play against like he had developed more confidence in himself and he was showing much needed snarl too. Looking forward to seeing him in September.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I disagree based off his/her omission of any language alluding to his potential in that area. To me, it looks like the poster is implying that offensive ability is static, whereas everyone else here made it clear that he has potential to grow in that area.

Maybe Pia can make it clear then? So we don't have to assume what he means lol

No, no, no. Read my original comment about Bob's post again. I am literally ONLY disagreeing with his use of the word "REGULAR" when discussing Carlo's gaffes. Nothing about potential at all. That was solely directed at Pia. My post was very clear about that.

There was a time during last season where Carlo was regularly making gaffes. He had a stretch that he was terrible, and we're talking "Bench this kid, night off" terrible. He did find his game, and limited the mistakes. It all came together at the time where he started to be more physical.

 

[KnightofBoston]

If Carlo was tailoring his game to shield Krug defensively he needs to stop doing it- first of all for the sake of the growth of his own game and second for the sake of the growth of Krug's game.

I truly loved the way Carlo was playing before he got hurt- he seemed much harder to play against like he had developed more confidence in himself and he was showing much needed snarl too. Looking forward to seeing him in September.

For that reason, I’d love to see chara’s minutes cut down and plop him on the second pairing with Carlo, move krug up to play with Charlie. Pull krug aside and say we expect you to up as well as grow your game this year

Give him a chance to show if he should be trade bait or signed to an extension contract in the near future

 

[The don godfather]

Guys be honest if teams know what they know now Carlo would have been a top ten draft pick. I don't think anyone can argue with that. I feel very confident when he's on the ice against players like mathews. We need him bad especially now since the leafs are more offensive.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Guys be honest if teams know what they know now Carlon would have been a top ten draft pick. I don't think anyone can argue with that. I feel very confident when he's on the ice against players like mathews. We need him bad especially now since the leafs are more offensive.

Carlo would not be a Top 10 pick in the 2015 NHL Draft, even if teams knew what he would become or the potential he has shown. There are many more players, who didn't go Top 10, that would be redrafted there over him.

 

[Pia8988]

I appreciate the laziness/refusal to spell out a 3 letter word.



See Pia's posts and bob27's post from the first page. Pia's posts leave no room for potential improvement at all. What we've seen of his offensive ability so far is all he'll ever have. I disagree with that strongly and agree with pretty much everyone else that he is very young, a work in progress, is improving and has room for even more improvement. I'm also objecting to Bob's use of "regularly" when he talks of Carlo's defensive gaffes this season. Did he have some? Sure. Who doesn't in a long season putting up big minutes? But regularly? Not by my definition.

You're reading comprehension is terrible and clearly tried to add in things that were never said.

 

[Seidenbergy]

You're reading comprehension is terrible and clearly tried to add in things that were never said.

LOL. Your opinion.

 

[hrdpuk]

I'm already quite happy with Carlos' development and he'll be getting better every year. No way would I trade him for Hamilton.

 

[ON3M4N]

I'm hoping we see a Moore/Carlo pair because I think it has potential. Both are bigger smooth skating d-men that can chip in offensively (still think Carlo has more to offer in the o-zone), but their more defensive minded. Moore will lay the body and maybe Carlo would feed off of that. Was actually surprised to see that only Miller (29 more) and Chara (6 more) threw more hits than Moore (among Bruins d-men) last year. This could allow you to slide Krug down with Miller (whose offensive expectations are very minimal) and I think Miller could do a better job "supporting" krug on the backend compared to Carlo. Now that's not a knock on Carlo, but he's trying to play the hardest position to learn in the NHL (with only 2 years under his belt) and on top of that you're asking him to try and cover for someone who isn't great in their own zone.

Chara - McAvoy
Moore - Carlo
Krug - Miller
Grzelcyk - McQuaid