Player Discussion Brandon Carlo II

[Fenway]

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https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/brandon-carlo.2136967/page-22#post-147476155

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[JOKER 192]

Carlo needs to figure out a way where he can be around for when it matters most. Stop break shit dude.

 

[Bruinaura]

Carlo needs to figure out a way where he can be around for when it matters most. Stop break **** dude.

Simple. Keep him away from Ovechkin. And ice ruts.

 

[JOKER 192]

Simple. Keep him away from Ovechkin. And ice ruts.

Have you ever heard of the saying "there is no two without three".

 

[Bruinaura]

Have you ever heard of the saying "there is no two without three".

Sssshhhhh!!!!

 

[JOKER 192]

Sssshhhhh!!!!

The good news is that it usually refers to something you enjoyed doing. If you enjoyed it enough the 1st time to do it again, a third time is inevitable.

I really doubt Carlo has enjoyed his experiences.

 

[pkunit]

I don't want to pump his tires but his value must be close to Krugs. I think he's closer to Hamilton value. Krug is the best player in that group but Carlos Ceiling is huge!

 

[Pia8988]

He doesn't have the offense to be Hamilton's value.

 

[pkunit]

He doesn't have the offense to be Hamilton's value.

I think Carlo has a lot in common mostly size and skating but is still getting better.

Hamilton is done growing IMO and Carlo will probably be the better Dman.

 

[Pia8988]

And a fraction of his offensive ability. I like Carlo and would keep him, he'll have a long career if he stays healthy. But he's closer to Hjalmarsson/Brodin than Hamilton.

 

[pkunit]

And a fraction of his offensive ability. I like Carlo and would keep him, he'll have a long career if he stays healthy. But he's closer to Hjalmarsson/Brodin than Hamilton.

Over rated. I wouldn't trade Carlo for Hamilton and I wouldn't trade him for Hanifin either.

 

[KnightofBoston]

He doesn't have the offense to be Hamilton's value.

Well let’s put it this way, what he lacks in offense compared to Hamilton, he makes up for in defense

Watching Carlo play it’s pretty clear there’s some offense there they will come on as he ages

 

[bob27]

Well let’s put it this way, what he lacks in offense compared to Hamilton, he makes up for in defense

Watching Carlo play it’s pretty clear there’s some offense there they will come on as he ages

I'll have to contest this. Hamilton deservedly took a lot of stick for his defensive lapses, but last season Carlo also regularly made some horrible plays that directly lead to goals. He needs to become a rock solid defensive specialist to justify not having any offensive/transition abilities, but he's not there yet. He has good fundamentals and skates very well so hopefully he gets there.

 

[KnightofBoston]

I'll have to contest this. Hamilton deservedly took a lot of stick for his defensive lapses, but last season Carlo also regularly made some horrible plays that directly lead to goals. He needs to become a rock solid defensive specialist to justify not having any offensive/transition abilities, but he's not there yet. He has good fundamentals and skates very well so hopefully he gets there.

Lapses sure but his overall defensive game and willingness is far and away above Hamilton’s at the same age

 

[chizzler]

I don't want to pump his tires but his value must be close to Krugs. I think he's closer to Hamilton value. Krug is the best player in that group but Carlos Ceiling is huge!

His ceiling is, but he’s not there yet. Much improvement in certain areas.

 

[Krupp]

Gotta believe that once he's fully healthy he'll get back to improving. I'm trying to be positive about that, honestly. With Krug needing a really good rock for a partner, Carlo's got no other choice but to improve

 

[GloryDaze4877]

And a fraction of his offensive ability. I like Carlo and would keep him, he'll have a long career if he stays healthy. But he's closer to Hjalmarsson/Brodin than Hamilton.

We were discussing Carlo in the B’s D thread as well. I believe he has some offensive ability (saw it on display at the WJC’s when he was 1st pair with Werenski), but doesn’t have the confidence to jump into the play yet. If he continues to play with Krug, he won’t jump up much. If he’s on a different pair, we may see it.

I don’t hate the Brodin/Hjalmarsson comparison, but I’m hoping for a different Swede...Ekholm.

 

[ODAAT]

Gotta believe that once he's fully healthy he'll get back to improving. I'm trying to be positive about that, honestly. With Krug needing a really good rock for a partner, Carlo's got no other choice but to improve

think your right and I also think his absence in the playoffs for a second season was huge. Prior to the injury, the kid was playing terrific D, don`t think he gets enough credit here at times from fans. He`s not the finished product, work to be done in some areas but his absence forced the shift on the back end much like injuries do with the forwards, puts some in roster spots/roles that they perhaps aren`t best suited for

 

[Absurdity]

Gotta believe that once he's fully healthy he'll get back to improving. I'm trying to be positive about that, honestly. With Krug needing a really good rock for a partner, Carlo's got no other choice but to improve

That's the problem. I am not a fan of the Krug and Carlo pairing. I think asking Carlo to handle his side of the ice as well as Krug's is not utilizing him in the lineup. His first season with Chara was way better than last season when he had to double down defensively on his pairing with Krug. Sure we could chalk it up to a sophomore slump, but Carlo has shown to be a solid defender facing top-line talent with Chara a few years ago. I think asking Carlo to improve to cover Krug's defensive deficiencies is the wrong way to go about things. Kid can't win when we rag on him for having no offense in his game, Carlo said he focused more on the defensive side of things at some point during last season, and do the same when he can't cover Krug's ass defensively. Krug needs to improve defensively, and Carlo needs to stop shaping his game around covering for Krug and start playing to his strengths.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

That's the problem. I am not a fan of the Krug and Carlo pairing. I think asking Carlo to handle his side of the ice as well as Krug's is not utilizing him in the lineup. His first season with Chara was way better than last season when he had to double down defensively on his pairing with Krug. Sure we could chalk it up to a sophomore slump, but Carlo has shown to be a solid defender facing top-line talent with Chara a few years ago. I think asking Carlo to improve to cover Krug's defensive deficiencies is the wrong way to go about things. Kid can't win when we rag on him for having no offense in his game, Carlo said he focused more on the defensive side of things at some point during last season, and do the same when he can't cover Krug's ass defensively. Krug needs to improve defensively, and Carlo needs to stop shaping his game around covering for Krug and start playing to his strengths.

As long as Carlo is paired with Krug, he will be the “stay at home” D in that pair. For an alternative idea see the discussion in the “Bruin’s D” thread.

 

[mjhfb]

That's the problem. I am not a fan of the Krug and Carlo pairing. I think asking Carlo to handle his side of the ice as well as Krug's is not utilizing him in the lineup. His first season with Chara was way better than last season when he had to double down defensively on his pairing with Krug. Sure we could chalk it up to a sophomore slump, but Carlo has shown to be a solid defender facing top-line talent with Chara a few years ago. I think asking Carlo to improve to cover Krug's defensive deficiencies is the wrong way to go about things. Kid can't win when we rag on him for having no offense in his game, Carlo said he focused more on the defensive side of things at some point during last season, and do the same when he can't cover Krug's ass defensively. Krug needs to improve defensively, and Carlo needs to stop shaping his game around covering for Krug and start playing to his strengths.

Interesting point. However, with 9 D currently on roster, who knows what the pairings will be...

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

I love when a Bruin gets traded and then Bruins fans never watch them play again and talk about them for years as if they never improved from the 22 year old player they remember.

Dougie Hamilton will never be a shutdown D but he's a very good all-around player and tremendous offensively. People here are grossly underrating him...he definitely has more value than Carlo and I like Carlo a lot.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I love when a Bruin gets traded and then Bruins fans never watch them play again and talk about them for years as if they never improved from the 22 year old player they remember.

Dougie Hamilton will never be a shutdown D but he's a very good all-around player and tremendous offensively. People here are grossly underrating him...he definitely has more value than Carlo and I like Carlo a lot.

I have watched Dougie play, and I see him making the same mistakes in his own end now that he did when he was in Boston. Not sure how you can call him a “very good all-around player”, when he’s not good defensively?

IMO, he has more value than Carlo because teams seem to value PMD’s far more than stay at home guys.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Love some of the criticisms of Carlo. Dude is 21 freaking years old and has a ton of experience already playing top line NHL minutes.

21.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Love some of the criticisms of Carlo. Dude is 21 freaking years old and has a ton of experience already playing top line NHL minutes.

21.

What criticisms are you referring to? I think there are some that aren't off base.

1.) Carlo isn't very good offensively

2.) Carlo needs to bring that physicality/nasty (that he displayed at the end of the season) consistently.

There's nothing wrong with looking at the player and the positives/negatives of his game. He is 21, and is already a Top 4 defenseman. He's an excellent skater, especially for his size, and has shown good defensive ability. He does have a lot of experience, and still hasn't hit the 200+ NHL game mark.