Porn* said:
lol i don't think Brandon Bochenski will win the calder but to say he has no chance at all is wrong. Like i said small chance he leads rookies in scoring, but if he does he would have to be cosnidered for the award.
Brandon Bochenski - Darkhorse Calder Candidate?
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lol i don't think Brandon Bochenski will win the calder but to say he has no chance at all is wrong. Like i said small chance he leads rookies in scoring, but if he does he would have to be cosnidered for the award.
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Porn* said:
Right, Sens bias
I guess according to you, even if Bochenski manages to score 30 goals, he still shouldn't be considered because Crosby, Ovechkin, Carter, Richards, etc are all more talented.
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First off, a lot of haters really do not seem to understand the concept of a darkhorse candidate. Second, if Bo leads the rookie class in scoring than he will very likely be a candidate with a pretty good shot at winning. Third, he could lead the leugue in scoring given that he is playing on one of the best lines in the NHL. Rechi and Leclair look pretty awful compared to Heatley and Spezza. So do most line mates. If he is a natural goal scorer, then he will stick with this line and will likely rack up the points. Given that the Sens management thinks that he deserves to be on that line, he probably is a natural goal scorer. I just would not be shocked to see him lead the rookies in scoring and I think that really gives him a good shot at the Calder... hence he is a darkhorse for that trophy.
champben2002 said:
I think the idea of somebody who didn't have a writeup about him in the Hockey News Draft Preview or not listed on the Hockey's Future's top 50 winning the Calder would be sacreligious to some.
It would be like printing up counterfeit money and trying to pass that off as the real deal
TheCoach said:Right, Sens bias
I guess according to you, even if Bochenski manages to score 30 goals, he still shouldn't be considered because Crosby, Ovechkin, Carter, Richards, etc are all more talented.
If Bochenski seriously stays on a line with Heatley and Spezza, then he could have an amazing year, but to me that would a HUGE longshot. (I personally don't see Ottawa keeping him on that line all year, but what do I know...)
But then again, being a huge longshot by definition makes you a darkhorse candidate, so by that logic I suppose he certainly could be considered one.
As regards to Carter and Richards, they may be victims to a numbers game in Philadelphia.
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no.. if he has a great season then for sure he can potentially be voted for... I just don't see it.TheCoach said:Right, Sens bias
I guess according to you, even if Bochenski manages to score 30 goals, he still shouldn't be considered because Crosby, Ovechkin, Carter, Richards, etc are all more talented.
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Porn* said:
Why though? You just seem to be arguing based on ignorance, not objectively.
Bochenski seems to have the first line spot nailed down. He is playing with 2 gifted playmakers and he has an excellent shot. He is 22 years old, has played a year in the AHL, and he could not have a more ideal situation to start his career.
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Sting004 said:
Bochenski would have to be MUCH better then the hyped guys to have a shot at the Calder, simply because, as people have already mentioned the League WANTS Crosby to win, and if he struggled they'll look to another of the hyped prospects. That being said, in terms of a "darkhorse" candidate outside of the main names being thrown about, Bochenshki is as good a choice as anyone
Does the NHL win if Bochenski wins the calder, or do they win with Crosby?pei fan said:OH yeah lets bring out the excuses way ahead of time.
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Transplanted Caper said:
in order to win the Calder Bochenski would have to lead rookie scoring by roughly 5 points(which i can see happening but it's very unlikely), if he does he has a good chance of winning, if not then he won't.
I could see him being a candidate, especially if he has Heatley and Spezza as linemates the whole season.
Epsilon
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Can people please show me ONE instance where
-the league had any influence over the award winners
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-a player beat out a more deserving one due to hype
Because I'd say neither has occured. In 1992 the media were practically ready to give Lindros the Calder before the season even started, and yet when the final votes were tallied, Selanne, Juneau, and Potvin left him in their dust.
-the league had any influence over the award winners
and
-a player beat out a more deserving one due to hype
Because I'd say neither has occured. In 1992 the media were practically ready to give Lindros the Calder before the season even started, and yet when the final votes were tallied, Selanne, Juneau, and Potvin left him in their dust.
look one post below yours... sting004 explains it wellEgil said:
even though I can't stand him.I never once in this thread said he wasn't good... your sens fans are too defensive towards us leaf fans
Epsilon
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Just to add a little more homerism to this thread:
If we are discussing players being Calder contenders because they are in a good situation, then Niklas Kronwall definitely needs to be mentioned. There's a good possibilty he spends the season playing with Lidstrom on the first pairing or Schneider on the second, and he will get a share of the powerplay time as well. He was NHL-ready last season, had a dominating season in the AHL, and was arguably the best defenseman at the World Championships this year.
If we are discussing players being Calder contenders because they are in a good situation, then Niklas Kronwall definitely needs to be mentioned. There's a good possibilty he spends the season playing with Lidstrom on the first pairing or Schneider on the second, and he will get a share of the powerplay time as well. He was NHL-ready last season, had a dominating season in the AHL, and was arguably the best defenseman at the World Championships this year.
agree about kronwall! voted best d-man in AHL last yr. i don't see a rookie d-man that looks more likely to win calder. he and bochenski are dark horses. detroit rookies have come in 2nd often--fedorov, lidstrom, zetterberg. kronwall?
Epsilon
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Porn* said:
I'd say Kronwall is quite a bit more advanced than Phaneuf at this point, in all aspects of the game other than maybe hitting (although Kronwall has layed out Joe Thornton, which is something that can't be paid for Phaneuf).
Epsilon said:
Like i stated above the Calder is a award usually based on stats, the only ay either guy would win the award is if they put up nice offensive numbers or had a good plus minus(i would assume with the competition this year that plus minus would have to be close to 30)
Is Kronwall even eligable? He played 20 games in 2003-2004
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