Brady Tkachuk is on pace for one of the greatest season in analytics history

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    People who actually stink at sports =\= people who rag on analytics.

    anyone who’s actually good at a sport has no problem learning about analytics and being better. It’s idiots who actually stink who hate on it cause numbers know more than your overrated eyes
     
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    Great way to put. He is the Warren Buffett of the Zach Hyman type player.
     
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    And the sample size is ... not enough to be reliable?
     
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    Analytics are used to paint a picture for people who are not experienced or knowledgeable enough to understand what they are looking at. Has anyone attempted to extract advanced stats for previous generation players? You might need those to decide if Gretzky or Mario were actually dominate players, people who understand the game know why they were simply amazing.
     
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    Sample size is not the problem here.
     
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    To dumb down this stat, it's basically "most one-timers + rebound shots + shots near the net per 60 minutes"

    Tkachuk is a beast in the last 2 categories so his numbers will always be inflated, he's also likely to going to have a couple of seasons during his career with some really high goal numbers with some puck luck.
     
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    Pre-draft was Brady supposed to be better than Matt?
     
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    This is a fun thread

    Matthews has 18 goals this year and 11 assists while brady has 6 goals and 7 assists for 13 pts.

    Matthews is heading to the playoffs and Brady to the golf course

    BUT THE ANALYTICS
     
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    13 points and 6 goals in 20 games. What am I missing here?
     
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    Just that the statistic isn't extremely useful. Brady's a player who will underperform ixG because of the style that he plays. Players like Matthews will overperform the statistic because he is a talented shooter.
     
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    best post of all time
     
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    This is prime example why most people know "advanced" stats are a joke and should never be used.
     
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    First, Brady is a great player. Second,...

    Knee jerk reactions like these prove that most people have no idea how to actually assess advanced stats...or stats in general. One point of data is obviously not going to give the entire picture.
     
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    Which is too bad because Brady would have more goals than Matthews in the playoffs. But Matthews would definitely beat him in Expected Goals so that's a win.
     
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    Theoretical physics can also prove that an elephant can hang off a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy. Numbers are a hoot.
     
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    We'll see. Always considered him as a good 3rd liner, decent 2nd liner upside. A winger equivalent to Jordan Staal. Brady never dominated at any level as a junior and was the low risk low reward player of the draft. Could come in immediately and make an impact with his adult frame but superstar upside was limited. It'd be a surprise personally if he ever goes above that 50 point ceiling since he's never shown that kind of potential before.
     
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    I mean he has 102 points in 162 games. He's already at that 50 point ceiling. Playing along side mediocre talent and poorly ranked PP's.
     
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    He's among the leaders in unnecessary consonants
     
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    Is he the frontrunner for the analytics Hart?
     
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    Big Walt said that Matthew is more of an agitator and that Brady has the better scoring touch. All three of them agree their sister is the best athlete.
     
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    Yup. Analytics gives you purely quantitative information without context and sufficient qualitative information. At times, people attempt to integrate qualitative data but it comes up horribly short. A skill sport such as hockey really requires the eye-test to give you both pieces of information.
     
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    yawn, elite forwards are elite because of a combination of play driving and shooting, not because of solely individual shot generation, any other analytics fan will agree with me
     
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    If it's that impressive, how come I'm not impressed?
     
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    If the stats wouldn't hide behind bad names and abbreviations, more people would understand them.
     

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