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Slim, but the COVID shutdown could cause weird things to happen in free agency depending on how and when the NHL resumes.
Player Discussion Braden Holtby Appreciation Thread
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Slim, but the COVID shutdown could cause weird things to happen in free agency depending on how and when the NHL resumes.
francaisvolantsparis
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With 30% cap cut talks for the next season, Holtby should pay $10M per year from his pocket so at least have a chance to make a training camp with Caps as a tryout this summer.
txpd
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I am confident that the league isn't going to reduce the cap as a lone response. The disruption to the players would be epic and the PA would demand something different. Its far too unsettled to project how any player up for a contract would be able to sign for.
Well sure but its hard to see any scenario where the Cap goes up next year. And if the Caps stays the same Holtby will have to settle for much less than market value to stay with the Caps, given their other priorities.
txpd
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There is a scenario. Dreger was talking about it on the radio a couple weeks ago. It would a result of the league and pa agreeing to a cap that had nothing to do with revenues. They don't want massive player movement after this virus. How that effects Holtby I have no idea. The longer this goes on the more likely it is that the PA agrees to take a 25 to 40% discount on their contract numbers rather than keeping the contracts as they are and drop the cap
At present its impossible to tell as they are now talking no sports with attendance thru 2021
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maacoshark
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I have a feeling the Caps will move on from Holtby. His play has been very in consistant the past couple years, Alot of it is on Holtby, alot is on the team in front of him and the poor defensive system.
Why would Holtby want to come and play for a team that throws him under the bus night after night?
Why would Holtby want to come and play for a team that throws him under the bus night after night?
SherVaughn30
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He's most definitely gone after the season ends. In fact I think the way his play has been so inconsistent, whichever teams signs him, he will get maybe at best a 2 year deal around $5 million per year. Basically a prove it contract. Other GM's are looking at Holtby and probably thinking what the heck happened to him. No way any team is gonna give him a Bob contract. I don't think he even gets more than his current amount of $6.1 million per year.
The talk was how Holtby would probably be the biggest name goalie in the off-season to be a free agent. I think Lehner now becomes that sought after free agent goalie unless VGK's re-sign him. Holtby's overall performance so far has ruined his market value considerably.
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Well, maybe he likes his teammates and maybe he likes the city. We kinda already know he likes the city, he's said so. Maybe he expects that a new coach won't "throw him under the bus".
But the only scenario I can see him staying is at a reduced rate and I don't see both sides agreeing to that. It will be an amicable split like Beagle.
I’m kind of worried about this tbh. Holtby has been very streaky the last few years yes but can we really count on Samsonov as a number 1 especially with his injury? Hopefully we don’t regret moving on from him. Unless he takes a friendly deal
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Sammy looked ready last season, but the ATV fiasco raises questions about injury recovery and the maturity to be a nhl starter.
I hope we sign a 1B guy like Greiss, Lehner, Khudobin, etc.
Than start the year going 50-50 and see what happens.
francaisvolantsparis
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| Player | GP | 5v5 SV% |
| Anton Khudobin | 30 | 0.947 |
| Tuukka Rask | 41 | 0.941 |
| Philipp Grubauer | 36 | 0.935 |
| Jake Allen | 24 | 0.934 |
| Darcy Kuemper | 29 | 0.932 |
| Elvis Merzlikins | 32 | 0.931 |
| Linus Ullmark | 34 | 0.93 |
| Connor Hellebuyck | 58 | 0.929 |
| Andrei Vasilevskiy | 52 | 0.927 |
| Tristan Jarry | 33 | 0.927 |
| Ilya Samsonov | 26 | 0.927 |
| Corey Crawford | 40 | 0.926 |
| Robin Lehner | 36 | 0.926 |
| Joonas Korpisalo | 37 | 0.926 |
| Mackenzie Blackwood | 47 | 0.926 |
| Jacob Markstrom | 43 | 0.925 |
| Cam Talbot | 26 | 0.925 |
| Pavel Francouz | 34 | 0.925 |
| Jaroslav Halak | 31 | 0.924 |
| Ben Bishop | 44 | 0.924 |
| Semyon Varlamov | 45 | 0.924 |
| Mikko Koskinen | 38 | 0.924 |
| Antti Raanta | 33 | 0.924 |
| Jordan Binnington | 50 | 0.923 |
| Thomas Greiss | 31 | 0.922 |
| Alex Stalock | 38 | 0.921 |
| Jonathan Bernier | 46 | 0.921 |
| Pekka Rinne | 36 | 0.92 |
| James Reimer | 25 | 0.92 |
| Juuse Saros | 40 | 0.92 |
| Carter Hart | 43 | 0.92 |
| Carey Price | 58 | 0.919 |
| Craig Anderson | 34 | 0.918 |
| Jack Campbell | 26 | 0.918 |
| Alexandar Georgiev | 34 | 0.918 |
| Henrik Lundqvist | 30 | 0.917 |
| Carter Hutton | 31 | 0.916 |
| Marcus Hogberg | 24 | 0.916 |
| David Rittich | 48 | 0.916 |
| Marc-Andre Fleury | 49 | 0.915 |
| Jonathan Quick | 42 | 0.915 |
| Frederik Andersen | 52 | 0.915 |
| John Gibson | 51 | 0.914 |
| Petr Mrazek | 40 | 0.912 |
| Aaron Dell | 33 | 0.911 |
| Brian Elliott | 31 | 0.908 |
| Thatcher Demko | 27 | 0.908 |
| Sergei Bobrovsky | 50 | 0.907 |
| Braden Holtby | 48 | 0.905 |
| Matt Murray | 38 | 0.904 |
| Devan Dubnyk | 30 | 0.903 |
| Mike Smith | 39 | 0.9 |
| Jimmy Howard | 27 | 0.896 |
| Martin Jones | 41 | 0.892 |
SherVaughn30
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You also forgetting Holtby needs a better goalie coach. Scott Murray better be fired because he did not connect with Holtby good enough after Korn left. I'm worried Murray will damage both Samsonov's/Vanecek's development because he's still by NHL standards considered an inexperienced goalie coach.
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The presumably shortened 2020-21 season may end up impacting their goalie route. I was all aboard the “get a veteran 1B” train for a full season, as Samsonov has never played a campaign that long before or had anywhere near that workload. But if the season ends up being 45-60 games? Maybe they can trust him and Vanecek to split duties.
HecticGlow
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Samsanov went winless during 2020 and has only played 26 games in the NHL (and 37 in the AHL). I’ve no doubt he’s capable of becoming a number 1 starter, but that hasn’t happened yet, and we’re pencilling him into that position out of necessity rather than because his play has told us he’s ready. You don’t have to look far in the league to see young goaltenders who played very well during limited period or when they shared the crease with a strong vet - Matt Murray, Andrey Vasilevsky, Jordan Binnington - who have then taken a step back, or had durability or consistency issues when made the number 1 without a suitable partner.
Vanecek, with his 0 NHL games, is unlikely to be ready to play 30 games next year, and the risk of using him/Copley until the deadline is it will tax Samsanov too much and impact on end of season/playoff performance. The concern is we don’t have the cap space to hire a goaltender of the quality we need to effectively share the crease with Samsanov - we cant afford a Lerhner, and it’s hard to see someone like Khudobin going anywhere soon.
Holtby would be smart to take a Lerhner-like one year deal somewhere and hope his game rebounds in a new location with a new goaltending coach. This is a bad year to be a UFA looking for one big last contract, even if you don’t have question marks around your recent play.
Vanecek, with his 0 NHL games, is unlikely to be ready to play 30 games next year, and the risk of using him/Copley until the deadline is it will tax Samsanov too much and impact on end of season/playoff performance. The concern is we don’t have the cap space to hire a goaltender of the quality we need to effectively share the crease with Samsanov - we cant afford a Lerhner, and it’s hard to see someone like Khudobin going anywhere soon.
Holtby would be smart to take a Lerhner-like one year deal somewhere and hope his game rebounds in a new location with a new goaltending coach. This is a bad year to be a UFA looking for one big last contract, even if you don’t have question marks around your recent play.
maacoshark
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He didn't look ready. He had success early mostly due to the competition he was facing. As the season went on and he started playing better teams he started to falter. He went through some struggles with the technical part of the game.
francaisvolantsparis
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Rather have Jose Threeormore or Olaf Kolzig for one more year. Thankyou Holtby and goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye..
Samsonov played (finished) 32% of his gamed vs Top10 teams in the League and 64% vs Top20. Holtby played (finished) 36% of his games vs Top10 teams and 70% vs Top20. Samsonov played vs Boston, Colorado, Tampa, Philadelphia, Pittsburg, Carolina, Isles, Dallas and Toronto. Both Holtby and Samsonov played the ~same percentage of weak and strong teams.
It is a good example of a drunk misbelief to think that Samsonov had easier matchups. He played less games nevrless.
Samsonov played (finished) 32% of his gamed vs Top10 teams in the League and 64% vs Top20. Holtby played (finished) 36% of his games vs Top10 teams and 70% vs Top20. Samsonov played vs Boston, Colorado, Tampa, Philadelphia, Pittsburg, Carolina, Isles, Dallas and Toronto. Both Holtby and Samsonov played the ~same percentage of weak and strong teams.
It is a good example of a drunk misbelief to think that Samsonov had easier matchups. He played less games nevrless.
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txpd
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I am sure you will fact check me if I am wrong but some of those early good teams were playing a good streak of games like junk. Tampa, for instance, was playing like shit when Samsonov played against them. He was playing managed games. Games that "gave him the best chance at success". So rolling him out against the league's elite was the opposite of what they were doing and you know it. Tampa was 12-8-3 at the time Sammy played them. They did run him out for an NHL starter like game.
He didnt start against Colorado. He didnt start against Boston. He didnt start a game against the Flyers. Did you research any of this? He did start a big game against Pittsburgh and it was a disaster. He did beat Carolina twice. Dallas he beat during a 1-9-0 run for Dallas. Toronto was early and 4-2-1 when the Caps played them. He started one win, the first week, and one loss against the Islanders
francaisvolantsparis
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Holtby started games vs Boston, Phily and Colorado, took like twenty goals in first rounds and left the cage to heroic Samsonov who did a good job in this games. Important is not to start the game, important is to fiinish it.
